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Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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When I was a teenager I came up with several technical and nontechnical websites, zines with programming and reverse engineering tutorials, interviews, and just plain fucking around. And everyone else around me was pretty much the same. There were multiple "scenes", we formed deep relations on IRC, even though almost none knew my real name or how I looked. I still meet some of those people online (few even in real li…

So much this

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Weirdness is a choice. Taking on an affectation of weirdness in order to sell products or advertising is quite obvious to the beholder, who ignores it, and not long after that, the Internet becomes a wasteland of e-commerce webshops and ad-ridden 'fun blogs'.

There's also an enormous difference between personal 'weird' and corporate 'weird'. 'Personal weird' came from early-gen web designers who had to do everything on their own, including making GIFs with primitive '90s image editors. We have more advanced tools on our phones today, yet bloggers would sooner pick something off the shelf from GIPHY (a Facebook company), because it's easier.

We don't even have weird homemade clipart anymore, we have soulless stock graphics from Canva. And a big Discord button where the webrings would be.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #73

All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. I've spent the last year or so building tools and algorithms specifically to dig up "fun and weird". It's still there: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

Excellent site - thank you! Perhaps it is the way we think about the internet that has also changed... Back in the day, when I wanted to find something on the internet, I knew I was going to have to dig and search and explore. My mind expected this experience. Since web 2.0, my mind doesn't work the same way.

I wonder if there's a search engine that ranks results with worst SEOs first

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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I was thinking about this earlier today. Several years ago I used to read Gwern's blog and I was thinking to myself how difficult it would be for someone to do anything remotely similar in today's environment. It's not just the superficial stuff the author of this article is mentioning - editing HTML and CSS and glitter. It's deeper than that. There's just not enough attention to go around. The economics are off and the incentives are misaligned.

No one's going to read a hyper-neurotic blog post about a quantified self experiment anymore and that sort of content won't fare well on tik tok. And it's a shame.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Everyone has become a sellout. When I was growing up this was considered a bad thing. Today it’s a virtue.

There's not incentives currently for the no money involved approach. Before, there was still some unknown promise of the thing you are doing being discovered at some point, and also you could still sellout - lots of creators did this eventually. The noise is really high today.

I've done a penance ^h^h career in advertising ,[0] and I left because advertising sold out. Advertising and commercial art/advertising/deductible graphics used to nurture the most amazing arrays of cultural perpetual moonlighting geniuses. Now that went down the first conversion funnel long ago. We're not even a number were just amorphous $rnd now.

[0]Computational advertising for print in the very early nineties...)

Edit: a last gasp website I absolutely considered Sui Generis and was invaluable in the graphics world was Drawn.ca . I'd be immensely grateful to hear of any mirrors or archive.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #73

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Excellent site - thank you! Perhaps it is the way we think about the internet that has also changed... Back in the day, when I wanted to find something on the internet, I knew I was going to have to dig and search and explore. My mind expected this experience. Since web 2.0, my mind doesn't work the same way.

I wonder if there's a search engine that ranks results with worst SEOs first

It's not that far off what my search engine does.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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such as the above post

So subtle, it flew over my head and is still flying off into the sunset. I genuinly thought it was just someone enjoying collecting rants. (Which, some rants are quite enjoyable to read.)

When I realized I was making a joke it was already too late!

In all seriousness I actually did start to collect HN rants I find funny a short while ago. There is something about elaborate rants that just gets me. Similarly I love elaborate, negative (social media) reviews. They are often way too serious and over the top.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #158

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Maybe less virtue and more necessary evil. It was a lot easier to not be a sellout in the economic boom of the 90s when you could find that paid the bills. The younger generation now is barely scraping by. They aren't into hustle culture because they love it, they do it because they're broke.

But 99.99% of people could stream Twitch 10 hours a day, put out half a dozen Youtube videos a week, chase every TikTok trend, and never make a dime. And at the end of it all? They wasted so much of their time doing things to chase the money, instead of things they liked, and when Twitch decides they're not going to preserve archives from unpopular streams, they don't even have the artifact left over.

Twitch/TikTok/YouTube is the "move to LA and do foodservice whist waiting to hit it big" of the current generation. You don't actually make any money doing it, but you think someday you will.
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