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Re: Parents coordinate trading of chicken pox-laced goods via Facebook

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Post by rdtsc » Sat, Nov 05, 2011, 7:01 PM UTC

dogfu wrote: post #6

rdtsc wrote: post #2

The stupider the people get, the more regulations and laws need to be passed to regulate them. These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them. I don't see this any different than harsh physical abuse. All those participating in it, should be guilty of child endangerment as well. In general those refusing to vaccinate their child should be forced to sign a waver form that…

What do you say the relative of someone who had a vaccine and immediately became crippled and couldn't walk because the reaction damaged their inner-ear? Just co-incidence? No p-value with a sample of one? Would you make them take that vaccine? Or let 'em slide on this one? I'm not sure your government regulations would deal with this case. The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a li…

> The immune system is an organ like the muscles, brain and heart. Putting a little stress on these organs is actually good.

That kind of armchair immunology and microbiology would exactly be prevented by harsher regulations. This analogy and hunch might not just hurt your child, but if your child gets infected, they could infect infants at a doctors office who have not yet gotten their immunizations.

> For instance the school system forcing girls to get "anti-cancer" vaccines when there is an effect alternative (i.e. "dont' be a promiscuous").

OK agree with you there, however there is no easy way to prevent many of these infectious diseases.

Re: Parents coordinate trading of chicken pox-laced goods via Facebook

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Post by wildjim » Sat, Nov 05, 2011, 11:30 PM UTC

scythe wrote: post #7

jrockway wrote: post #3

I don't really see the hate for these people. You get the chicken pox once. The earlier in life you get it, the less troublesome it is. I'm not going to argue against vaccinations, but the reality is that we have much more long-term data about having kids play together than the chicken pox vaccine. Both options are probably equally good at this point, and most people have personal experience with the first one and no…

>You get the chicken pox once. False. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingles

Strictly speaking, it's not the same as Chickenpox, especially in symptoms and effect.

Re: Parents coordinate trading of chicken pox-laced goods via Facebook

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Post by wildjim » Sat, Nov 05, 2011, 11:43 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #2

The stupider the people get, the more regulations and laws need to be passed to regulate them. These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them. I don't see this any different than harsh physical abuse. All those participating in it, should be guilty of child endangerment as well. In general those refusing to vaccinate their child should be forced to sign a waver form that…

In the UK and NZ, the vaccine is only given to those at-risk from Chickenpox. Children don't receive it as a matter of policy, and I don't believe adults who've never caught the disease are normally offered it, either.

One of the reasons/theories I've heard for this, is that if you've had Chickenpox, you are at-risk for Shingles -- which is often extremely painful and difficult to overcome. However, if you are regularly exposed to Chickenpox, your immune-system gets "reawakened" to the virus, therefore can more-quickly recognise and fight-off a recurrance, before it becomes Shingles.

One of the easiest ways to aid this exposure is to keep the virus active, but under-control, in the community. This has a useful side-effect of the community also being aware and more-knowledgeable about the disease, too.

Another argument I've heard against the vaccine is that it's simply not possible to get rid of Chickenpox totally -- it's _highly_ infectious, and the infectious stage is before symptoms appear, etc -- but the vaccine gives a false sense of security of protection, perhaps in the same way as everyone thinks they're safe from Smallpox, Hepatitis, Ebola, etc because we worked so hard to get rid of or control it.

Re: Parents coordinate trading of chicken pox-laced goods via Facebook

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Post by jrockway » Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 2:05 AM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #2

The stupider the people get, the more regulations and laws need to be passed to regulate them. These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them. I don't see this any different than harsh physical abuse. All those participating in it, should be guilty of child endangerment as well. In general those refusing to vaccinate their child should be forced to sign a waver form that…

These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them.

Is growing up without one's parents less harmful than getting a common childhood disease from a friend? Who is going to pay to punish the parents and relocate the children?

Re: Parents coordinate trading of chicken pox-laced goods via Facebook

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Post by rdtsc » Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 6:05 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #34

rdtsc wrote: post #2

The stupider the people get, the more regulations and laws need to be passed to regulate them. These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them. I don't see this any different than harsh physical abuse. All those participating in it, should be guilty of child endangerment as well. In general those refusing to vaccinate their child should be forced to sign a waver form that…

These individuals need to be punished, and if they don't stop, children taken away from them. Is growing up without one's parents less harmful than getting a common childhood disease from a friend? Who is going to pay to punish the parents and relocate the children?

I don't see knowingly exposing ones child to an infectious disease, that could be life threatening (people die from complications from shingles), any different than leaving the child in a hot car in the summer or say beating them. If you read the article this is also happening with mumps, rubella and other infectious diseases.

> Is growing up without one's parents less harmful ...

After a certain point yes. Because being crippled or dead is better than growing up with abusive parents sometimes.