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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

bun_at_work wrote: post #160
Dracophoenix wrote: post #97

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The FBI has seized assets through civil forfeiture for decades. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-09/fbi-beve... That's not "low grade" corruption. It's the plainest form of corruption conducted en masse and in a highly organized fashion. When an arm of the government can take your property without due process, any suspicion towards them is warranted. With regards to this new app, I wouldn't be surpris…

Surely the FBI doesn't need this app that only appeals to people with children to tap every phone in the country.

Case and point: I get Amber alerts on my phone.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

gonzo41 wrote: post #135
alsetmusic wrote: post #62

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

I got bonded (Police background checks with fingerprinting etc) for a job which had a large cash handling component. dealing with > 100K in twenties and fifties in a Casino. My prints were kept for elimination after the process, but the police were very eager to inform me that they don't get kept past two years. The police had petitioned the government under the guise of privacy laws to make sure they had to throw aw…

It also means they don't have to deal with the problem of having shit tons of fingerprint data. Depending on the laws around who was responsible for it, that could be quite a hassle.

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Post by bostonsre »

Silica6149 wrote: post #25
bostonsre wrote: post #17

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I know it seems like a long shot, but could they potentially be trying to do good and help people?

The US doesn't have a good track record in that regard, even towards its own people.

You are really saying the fbi does more bad than good?

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Post by bradtheappguy »

Tao3300 wrote: post #183
N-Krause wrote: post #8

Initially I thought that it would be satire, then I recognized the domain. I have a weird feeling about this, but can't put a finger on it.

Felt off to me too. My guess is that it's a makework project they put a batch of summer interns on to keep them out of trouble.

My guess is some subcontractor got to build it and charge an obscene amount of money for it.

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

Silica6149 wrote: post #122
Tade0 wrote: post #106

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Fingerprints aren't even particularly useful here. Our irises are considerably more information-dense, accessible and stable over time as evidenced by the famous identification of Sharbat Gula: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html A close-up photo should be enough to reliably identify a person years after they went missing.

Did not know that! How easily can irises be identified in person, though? Has a handheld scanner been developed yet? Fingerprints can also be left on objects, which can be helpful for tracking someone.

Yes, they were using them to catalog folks in Afghanistan

https://www.wired.com/2010/09/afghan-biometric-dragnet-could...

Of course, the Taliban were able to seize this collection of data.

https://theintercept.com/2021/08/17/afghanistan-taliban-mili...

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Post by thrr0wawayy »

shapefrog wrote: post #119
Tade0 wrote: post #106

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Fingerprints aren't even particularly useful here. Our irises are considerably more information-dense, accessible and stable over time as evidenced by the famous identification of Sharbat Gula: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html A close-up photo should be enough to reliably identify a person years after they went missing.

> Our irises are considerably more information-dense Someone should give you free cryptocurrency for a scan of your iris.

Everest uses biometrics to tie your information to your wallet. The tech is actually pretty cool in my opinion - they have the Everest ID coin itself, but I am more interested in the identity management part of it.

I'm not sure I'm 100% on board, but the tech is really interesting and their approach to privacy seems much better than I would expect from an offering like that. The aim is to be able to offer Know Your Customer using their identity platform to a mulititude of services.

Everest.org is their site

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Post by capableweb »

upsidesinclude wrote: post #177
procombo wrote: post #158

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In the U.S. we used to collect palm/foot prints on every child within a few days of birth. Newborn fingerprints are difficult to collect, as skin is very delicate. Now we require DNA collection at birth. https://www.aclu.org/other/newborn-dna-banking With my youngest I found a clever way to "opt-out". Unfortunately at my child's 6 month pediatric appointment at a private clinic, the nurse charged in and demanded a sa…

This is bizarre and should not be legal. There is definitely not any public awareness of this practice. Increasingly people are aware of the very real implications of allowing the government and insurance agencies to have your data. Your genes are your data

I remember reading about a country doing DNA collection of every single person born, since the 80s or something like that, leading to that country now sitting on the most extensive DNA database of its kind. I can't remember which country it was though. Searching for "most extensive DNA database" and similar just leads me to various voluntary databases from the US, but I think this database I'm thinking about was involuntary, and every single person in the country is basically registered in it.

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Post by MarkMarine »

pwython wrote: post #180
MarkMarine wrote: post #116

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The FBI and other 3 letter agencies have been vacuuming up every communication between us, warrantless, for so many years it’s crazy. That unconstitutional overreach has been used to do what exactly? No I really want to know. It’s not keeping us safe, because someone who is basically a cartoon caricature of a school shooter can scare everyone they come in contact with, get a long gun and ammo, and execute a mass shoo…

> "That unconstitutional overreach has been used to do what exactly? No I really want to know. It’s not keeping us safe..." Unpopular opinion, but you know the old saying: No one hears about the times the FBI, CIA, etc has stopped a terrorist act, you only hear about the disasters that eventually played out. For every one sick person that went on to do something crazy, hundreds have been caught before anything happen…

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #190
pwython wrote: post #180

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> "That unconstitutional overreach has been used to do what exactly? No I really want to know. It’s not keeping us safe..." Unpopular opinion, but you know the old saying: No one hears about the times the FBI, CIA, etc has stopped a terrorist act, you only hear about the disasters that eventually played out. For every one sick person that went on to do something crazy, hundreds have been caught before anything happen…

>For every one sick person that went on to do something crazy, hundreds have been caught before anything happened. If their dragnets had even a shred of utility for that purpose they'd be telling you about it at every opportunity.

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Post by DrFunke »

procombo wrote: post #158
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #134

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Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime. I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

In the U.S. we used to collect palm/foot prints on every child within a few days of birth. Newborn fingerprints are difficult to collect, as skin is very delicate. Now we require DNA collection at birth. https://www.aclu.org/other/newborn-dna-banking With my youngest I found a clever way to "opt-out". Unfortunately at my child's 6 month pediatric appointment at a private clinic, the nurse charged in and demanded a sa…

Tell us how you cleverly opted out?
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