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Re: FBI Child ID App

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Post by Tade0 »

Silica6149 wrote: post #122
Tade0 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprints aren't even particularly useful here. Our irises are considerably more information-dense, accessible and stable over time as evidenced by the famous identification of Sharbat Gula: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html A close-up photo should be enough to reliably identify a person years after they went missing.

Did not know that! How easily can irises be identified in person, though? Has a handheld scanner been developed yet? Fingerprints can also be left on objects, which can be helpful for tracking someone.

> Has a handheld scanner been developed yet?

Yes - I used one as far back as in 2010 on a science fair where we enrolled people to a research database.

A phone camera close-up should be enough in the right conditions, but additionally Samsung's Galaxy line used to include and iris scanner, which was just a near-infrared LED and a camera.

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Post by andymockli »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #39
eddieroger wrote: post #28

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There's no way of saying it without sounding sarcastic that yes, this feels like a scam, if not just a bad idea. The fact that they have to come out and say, "no, we're not storing pictures of your kids" doesn't help. The idea of the app is sound, and one would hope you could trust the Federal Government with such information (like they don't have it already), but the iOS6 era screenshots and verbiage feel like a rea…

I think this might be abandonware.

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Re: FBI Child ID App

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Post by ct0 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #46
stonemetal12 wrote: post #36

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After the July 4 mass shooting a 2 year old was found wondering the scene unattended. He was safely returned to relatives. Sure I have pictures of my kids but am I alive to display them? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62047223

Doesn't that demonstrate the app isn't needed?

Security theater

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Post by Bender »

I am not a fan of this idea. My preference would be that parents could use an open source application and store-bought kit to gather/store datapoints on their children fingerprint kit, iris scan, DNA gathering and if/when something bad happens the parents can share the data with the appropriate law enforcement agencies that are actually involved in the case. There would also need to be data retention/destruction laws on the books that mandates when the copy of the data must be destroyed by law enforcement and serious consequences for a law enforcement agency should they side step the data retention requirements.

Anything short of this feels like a catch-all extension of ID.me and hospitals now gathering DNA from babies without the parents knowledge or consent. Children can not consent to their data being captured in this manor. This should be a role of parents and they should be securely storing this data in my very less than humble opinion. One copy on-site and one copy in a bank safety deposit box and/or one copy stored off-site with a relative, ideally someone legally designated as an emergency legal guardian.

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Post by buscoquadnary »

photochemsyn wrote: post #126

Clearly the optimal solution is RFID subdermal microchipping for all children, isn't it? Technology exists for boosted RFID (basically a tiny battery and solar PV linked to the RFID tag) which should work under the skin fairly well. Then install scanners at all public venues and schools, and link to the NSA database out in Utah, so that everyone can be safely location-tracked at all times. Removing the chip would of…

Exactly finally someone gets it, and for all you people who are opposed you're probably just a drug dealer or a terrorist, after all only drug dealers and terrorists have something to hide, every good citizen should want something like that.

I mean what's more important you're imaginary freedom, or being able to bring porch pirates to justice?

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Post by procombo »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #134
JTbane wrote: post #107

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Yep, I remember getting fingerprinted at a mall. Thanks to my folks for preemptively snitching.

Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime. I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

In the U.S. we used to collect palm/foot prints on every child within a few days of birth. Newborn fingerprints are difficult to collect, as skin is very delicate. Now we require DNA collection at birth.

https://www.aclu.org/other/newborn-dna-banking

With my youngest I found a clever way to "opt-out". Unfortunately at my child's 6 month pediatric appointment at a private clinic, the nurse charged in and demanded a sample to send in on the spot. She said they couldn't proceed with any services unless they sent the card in, as their license would be revoked unless doing so.

https://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/04/baby.dna.government/in...

In my state you can REQUEST to have the collection card destroyed after 6 weeks, and before 18 years. But they do not guarantee it gets done. Which is just for the collection card. They make sure to "transfer but not sell" the samples to separate entity between that time, which keeps a copy and digitizes it.

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Post by toast0 »

mc32 wrote: post #139
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #134

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Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime. I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

I think most states [edit: apparently only some states] in the US require a fingerprint in order to issue a drivers' license or for a state ID. So I guess you could be somewhat anonymous till you had to get your state ID and then they'd know who it was.

IIRC, California just takes a thumbprint, so obviously don't use that thumb while committing crimes and you're fine. OTOH, I got the full set of fingerprints (in ink!) and affirmed an oath to uphold the constitutions of the US and California as a condition of working for a school district, so I'm not available for crimes anymore.

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Post by bun_at_work »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #97
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #67

Low grade corruption ...and here's why: The FBI is understaffed, misdirected & underfunded for its real mission, which I would argue must be fighting public corruption, organized crime and counter-espionage. Any objective analysis would conclude the Bureau has been politicized and its resources have been directed at operations, investigations and training that does not fulfill its core mission. The bad PR and mistrus…

The FBI has seized assets through civil forfeiture for decades. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-09/fbi-beve... That's not "low grade" corruption. It's the plainest form of corruption conducted en masse and in a highly organized fashion. When an arm of the government can take your property without due process, any suspicion towards them is warranted. With regards to this new app, I wouldn't be surpris…

Surely the FBI doesn't need this app that only appeals to people with children to tap every phone in the country.
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