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Re: FBI Child ID App

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Post by gzer0 »

b112 wrote: post #92
mminer237 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be pretty easy to do a packet inspection and see if they're telling the truth about not transmitting the photos.

And how does one do packet inspection: * if packets are only sent via carrier, not wifi * if packets are sent to aws instances, which is very common * if it all stops when phone is rooted, which is common for many apps

* deep packet inspection of carrier based communications is a thing [1].

* Gov't is mandated to use AWS Gov instances which are quite easy to distinguish [2].

* there are ways to bypass those rootchecks to make a rooted phone seem not rooted [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection#United_...

[2] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/aws-govcloud-earns-dod...

[3] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68661134/root-detection-...

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Post by r3trohack3r »

aceazzameen wrote: post #113
r3trohack3r wrote: post #110

> The FBI is not collecting or storing any photos or information that you enter in the app. All data resides solely on your mobile device unless you need to send it to authorities. If true, this sounds thoughtfully designed.

Maybe they should open source it for third parties to verify it then.

> All data resides solely on your mobile device unless you need to send it to authorities.

Network chatter can be viewed without source code access. If what they’re saying is true, this app should not make network requests unless initiated by the user.

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Post by JadoJodo »

hugodutka wrote: post #125
shapefrog wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our irises are considerably more information-dense Someone should give you free cryptocurrency for a scan of your iris.

It’s already been done: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/21/sam-altmans-worldcoin-wa...

I suspect GP was being facetious.

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Post by NullPrefix »

Silica6149 wrote: post #122
Tade0 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprints aren't even particularly useful here. Our irises are considerably more information-dense, accessible and stable over time as evidenced by the famous identification of Sharbat Gula: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html A close-up photo should be enough to reliably identify a person years after they went missing.

Did not know that! How easily can irises be identified in person, though? Has a handheld scanner been developed yet? Fingerprints can also be left on objects, which can be helpful for tracking someone.

Regular photo camera can take photos of irises

Re: FBI Child ID App

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Post by Markoff »

alsetmusic wrote: post #62

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

no need for any campaign anymore, most kids in EU have biometric passports, though not sure at what age they start fingerprinting them, which they don't do because their hands are growing too much so fingerprints world be quite useless under certain age

though some countries like Germany issue some simplified passports for kids, Czechia and Slovakia for instance issue same as adult passports, only difference being validity

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Post by thrown_22 »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #67

Low grade corruption ...and here's why: The FBI is understaffed, misdirected & underfunded for its real mission, which I would argue must be fighting public corruption, organized crime and counter-espionage. Any objective analysis would conclude the Bureau has been politicized and its resources have been directed at operations, investigations and training that does not fulfill its core mission. The bad PR and mistrus…

The first FBI director had Washington by the balls for forty years. Nixon didn't fire him because he expected him to retaliate with blackmail, neither did Truman or Kennedy.

The FBI is working as intended.

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Post by twunde »

mc32 wrote: post #139
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime. I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

I think most states [edit: apparently only some states] in the US require a fingerprint in order to issue a drivers' license or for a state ID. So I guess you could be somewhat anonymous till you had to get your state ID and then they'd know who it was.

Well this sent me down a tangent since I had never heard of this. Per https://www.cga.ct.gov/2001/rpt/2001-R-0858.htm (circa 2001) the only states that require a fingerprint are California, Colorado, Georgia, Texas although apparently Alabama and Florida used to do so. Feels pretty crazy to me

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Post by Dma54rhs »

aceazzameen wrote: post #113
r3trohack3r wrote: post #110

> The FBI is not collecting or storing any photos or information that you enter in the app. All data resides solely on your mobile device unless you need to send it to authorities. If true, this sounds thoughtfully designed.

Maybe they should open source it for third parties to verify it then.

What's the point if you can't verify what they upload to play store / app store anyway? They can publish as code anything but that doesn't mean you run it.

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Post by SapporoChris »

Tade0 wrote: post #106
alsetmusic wrote: post #62

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

Fingerprints aren't even particularly useful here. Our irises are considerably more information-dense, accessible and stable over time as evidenced by the famous identification of Sharbat Gula: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html A close-up photo should be enough to reliably identify a person years after they went missing.

While most people do have stable iris patterns it is not the case for everyone. Numerous conditions can cause changes in the eyes. Glaucoma being the most obvious one, but there are a whole host of other conditions like lisch nodules, Uveal melanoma, etc.

However, perhaps with training, identification could be made in spite of changes to the iris.

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