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Re: FBI Child ID App

#131

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I think thier point was even if you registered your kids fingerprints with the police they are not going to go around to every kid in all the dinners checking fingerprints to compare to.

My point was to only release the information to the police if and when the kid needs to be located.

release what valuable information here? What information is being "released" that is going to be helpful in a way that if it wasn't for the FBI App, you would be regretting it?

Re: FBI Child ID App

#132

Low grade corruption ...and here's why: The FBI is understaffed, misdirected & underfunded for its real mission, which I would argue must be fighting public corruption, organized crime and counter-espionage. Any objective analysis would conclude the Bureau has been politicized and its resources have been directed at operations, investigations and training that does not fulfill its core mission. The bad PR and mistrus…

> its real mission

The FBI's primary objective in practice seems to have always been "maintaining the existing social and political order" [1], with some swaying justification of national security and preventing violence, corruption, espionage, terrorism, cyber attacks, and other vague, broad, non-specific, topical threats.

1. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/9475...

> mistrust the FBI has earned in recent years

Do you consider COINTELPRO–BLACK HATE recent?

https://archive.org/details/FBI-COINTELPRO-BLACK/100-HQ-4480...

Re: FBI Child ID App

#133
post #96

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It makes me wonder if downloading this app gives the FBI a ready made backdoor into your iPhone. (not sure if that's even possible with the iOS infrastructure)

Apple scans apps, code, as does Google. But what if an Apple employee works for the FBI? Large firms are known to have moles in them, both from competitors, and from government.

What if just one employee works for the FBI? We don't need to guess about that sort of stuff, supposedly Apple has complied with PRISM for nearly a decade now. I'd bet there's a lot more than just one US intelligence officer working at Apple.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#134
post #107

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

Yep, I remember getting fingerprinted at a mall. Thanks to my folks for preemptively snitching.

Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime.

I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#135

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

I got bonded (Police background checks with fingerprinting etc) for a job which had a large cash handling component. dealing with > 100K in twenties and fifties in a Casino. My prints were kept for elimination after the process, but the police were very eager to inform me that they don't get kept past two years.

The police had petitioned the government under the guise of privacy laws to make sure they had to throw away the records. Which seems counter intuitive until you realize it'd require me to go through the same process again at a later date. More money for them.

I've less fear of my biometrics being tracked than I do of rent seeking behavior from public officials.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#137

Low grade corruption ...and here's why: The FBI is understaffed, misdirected & underfunded for its real mission, which I would argue must be fighting public corruption, organized crime and counter-espionage. Any objective analysis would conclude the Bureau has been politicized and its resources have been directed at operations, investigations and training that does not fulfill its core mission. The bad PR and mistrus…

I've read letters from NKVD agents located in the USA in the 1930s talking about how this new guy J Edgar Hoover is using political blackmail so effectively. They were reporting back to the USSR telling their superiors how political blackmail was something that the new USSR needed to perfect and use to its advantage.

I think we can have a long discussion about what the real purpose of the FBI is. And I bet even within the FBI they can have this long discussion. It is many purposed, some of which we may determine to be pro-social, or pro-democratic. While others are probably more anti-social and anti-democratic.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#138

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Maybe they should open source it for third parties to verify it then.

That's a good point, shouldn't the FBI's apps be open source?

Unless the app software needs to be secured ... for national security reason; read that last part again.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#139
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I remember getting fingerprinted at a mall. Thanks to my folks for preemptively snitching.

Happened to me as well. Now the FBI has my fingerprints on file even though I've never committed a crime. I had a discussion with my Mom a couple years about this and she admitted she screwed up. I can't blame her of course. Especially since at the time there was plenty of FBI propoganda about missing kids terrifying parents and claiming this was a solution.

I think most states [edit: apparently only some states] in the US require a fingerprint in order to issue a drivers' license or for a state ID. So I guess you could be somewhat anonymous till you had to get your state ID and then they'd know who it was.

Re: FBI Child ID App

#140

There's a television ad that stands out in my memory from when I was a kid (80s). The camera pans across patrons at a diner and the voiceover is about how a kidnapped child was recovered as the camera stops on a young girl (~8yo). The child is described, but the child the camera landed on has different features (hair dyed, cut, whatever). The explanation for how she was identified is that her fingerprints were on fil…

I'm not sure that's relevant to this. This app just makes it easier to give police or security the information they ask for if you lose your child (note not necessarily kidnapped), like a photo, age, and height. And they claim the info is only stored locally. Maybe that claim is false, but if it was, then once that was discovered it would probably cause a lot of legal and PR problems for the FBI.
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