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Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#51
This irks me:

> We — the programmers, designers, product people — collectively decided that users don't deserve the right to code in everyday products.

Nope. People chose the simpler platforms and tools with lower barrier to entry (no need to code) and the strange, fun, weird things were choked out or relegated to the unseen corners of the Internet. For a brief period you had a lot of people learning to code at some level because it was the only way to engage with the Internet at all.

It wasn't developers, designers, etc. that decided things should no longer have access to the tools, it was the consumer base at large who consistently chose the smoother, simpler, easier-to-use, less flexible, locked-down products.

People still have access to the tools. The Internet has an extremely low barrier to entry. It is accessible in a way most serious technology isn't. My son has been publishing his own page, full of weird little games and odd styling choices, etc. since he was nine.

Most people don't want products like MySpace. They voluntarily chose Facebook.

I hope this company finds a successful niche. I'm glad for any tools that encourage people to invest in their own creativity. But I doubt they are going to achieve mainstream success. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#52

Just look at one of the best platforms for "fun and weird" - YouTube. The algorithm aggressively promotes freshness (things posted in the past few hours for certain queries!) and 10+ minute long videos. Every algorithm change directly impacts what creators, create, because no one wants to put in a whole lot of work for something to never be seen. If, for example, the ideal format for a joke or video is 3 minutes, tha…

> The algorithm aggressively promotes freshness (things posted in the past few hours for certain queries!) and 10+ minute long videos.

I mostly agree, but there are some counterexamples that provide very in depth, quality information and have gotten popular because of it. Off the top of my head, Ben Eater, Sebastian Lague, 3Blue1Brown, and Reducible.

I think it's still very possible to get stuff that doesn't fit into the algorithm to take off if you make it interesting and high quality :)

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#53

The internet is more fun and weird than it has ever been, but there's astronomically more boring unfun content getting in the way of finding fun stuff. Kind of the same story offline.

Isn't this just art imitating life? In real life, the boring is every where. You have to find those niche stores/clubs/eateries/etc by putting forth effort vs just going to the same-ol-same-ol that advertises to get your attention.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#55

All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. I've spent the last year or so building tools and algorithms specifically to dig up "fun and weird". It's still there: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

Precisely. It isn't fun or weird because YOU aren't fun or weird. If you were fun or weird you'd already know where all the fun and weird stuff is.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#56

All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. I've spent the last year or so building tools and algorithms specifically to dig up "fun and weird". It's still there: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

This is one of the things I liked about StumbleUpon. You never knew what you were going to get, but it was almost always something interesting.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#57
post #49

Because the barrier of entry is gone. Some level of difficulty of creating content weeded out the morons. It is now flooded with "content creators" of at best average intelligence. The early web was glorious. A bunch of weirdos and nerds with at least some technical skills created personal websites, mostly horrible-looking, and linked to each other. There were counters, guestbooks, moderated discussion boards... We w…

While this rationale sounds true, but it doesn't actually align with my observations.

Most of the web's noise content isn't low-effort comments, but low-effort commercial websites: Sometimes "tutorials" for extremely easy tasks padded with a bunch of superfluous instructions, sometimes freebooting other content, other times apparently AI-generated texts that seem legitimate at first glance but don't really make sense.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#59
> Why isn't the internet more fun and weird?

Because everything is complicated now. To code your own website you have to learn hundreds of hours of web technologies. There is no clear way and a lot of old, now wrong, advice in old blog posts. This limits the creativity that can be expressed a lot and is probably the main reason why "everyone" is now using "platforms".

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

#60
post #49

Because the barrier of entry is gone. Some level of difficulty of creating content weeded out the morons. It is now flooded with "content creators" of at best average intelligence. The early web was glorious. A bunch of weirdos and nerds with at least some technical skills created personal websites, mostly horrible-looking, and linked to each other. There were counters, guestbooks, moderated discussion boards... We w…

While this rationale sounds true, but it doesn't actually align with my observations. Most of the web's noise content isn't low-effort comments, but low-effort commercial websites: Sometimes "tutorials" for extremely easy tasks padded with a bunch of superfluous instructions, sometimes freebooting other content, other times apparently AI-generated texts that seem legitimate at first glance but don't really make sense…

Yes, absolutely, but it's in the same vein. In the past, to create content you had to go through some things.

I still remember being on the phone with Network Solutions for an hour to activate my first domain. They asked for my password... Over the phone.... Now content creation is easy and, yes, automated.

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