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Post by Jaruzel »

sp1rit wrote: post #74

> "You see how there’s a space before the exclamation mark?" he said. "Yeah, that’s how 18-year-olds type." I have never seen any 18-year-old type like this. Is this actually common in the US or just a thing of older folk imaging how an 18 -year-old might type?

I picked up on this... My initial thought was, typing on a phone, and tapping the auto-complete for the word 'daddy' would automatically insert a space afterwards. It's quicker/easier to just live with the space, than delete it before typing the '!'.

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Post by sofixa »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #78

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings". I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

There's an old KGB trick called "sweet trap" where the target is seduced and filmed having sex (ideally non-conventional sex like bondage, gay, etc.) for blackmail purposes.

It's also a common scam nowadays, only remote and with nudes instead of actual sex.

It would make sense the FSB and colleagues have modernised and also use modern techniques. In fact a few years back a candidate for mayor of Paris (unlikely to win, but would have had ~15-20% of the votes) had a video of him masturbating, IIRC with another guy on video chat, released on Twitter. The guy was a "traditional family" type and resigned from his campaign.

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Post by simmerup »

ratww wrote: post #107
rawbot wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here Oh, but there is plenty of platonic relationships with camgirls, streamers and such. It can reach levels of delusion that you wouldn't believe.

I don't know anyone on OnlyFans, but I know a few women who do "Just Chatting" Twitch streams and the psychological toll on them is huge. Having to give people constant attention, answer every question or at least acknowledge it, and provide a sort of faux-friendship in exchange for money is a really strange arrangement. Just yesterday a long-term supporter of one woman I know "confessed their love" to her, and will…

To be fair if they’re leading people on because it gets more engagement/money they really can’t expect it to be stress free. There’s always a choice to be made.

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Post by samhw »

timeon wrote: post #102
JohnBooty wrote: post #7

This definitely happens elsewhere, like live cam sites. This isn't a new practice, but the stakes are higher. It used to be that you could write to "celebrities" for an autograph. You hoped it was the celebrity who signed your thing and mailed it back, but in reality you knew it was probably their spouse or secretary. It wasn't honest, but it's not like they charged you money, and the emotional stakes were lower. The…

This reminds me that there are several housing estates around the world 'designed by Zaha Hadid' while she was probably hardly involved.

Not to mention Damien Hirst (and I suppose Warhol's 'factory' was the real pioneer). I don't understand it. My friend has a bunch of 'his' paintings - high six figures a pop at the very least - which look like things you could buy at IKEA (e.g. this one: https://imgur.com/a/TfPci2c).

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Post by gumby »

yieldcrv wrote: post #55
gumby wrote: post #29

> Many are based in Miami. It’s a place where young marketing types have embraced a vision of what the internet is actually for that is at odds with Silicon Valley’s: less a utopian escape from reality than an infinite expansion of its strip malls. I am glad there is a honeypot for people like this so they won't move here (SV or even SF)

The bay area’s aversion to any libido-inducing-anything was a mistake. “Lets exclude people to make it more inclusive!” really hits a peak there and a lot of people don’t buy it I’m glad to see this smoothing out geographically, especially since a lot of the same people move to Miami and partake in its allure and inclusion of body-focused participants in tech as well as sex workers

> The bay area’s aversion to any libido-inducing-anything was a mistake.

Uh, what? True, Silicon Valley has been more sedate in that regard, but SF has been / remains the home of everything from Kink.com to the SF Sex information library, to mainstreaming sex toys (e.g. good vibrations) and feminist sexuality (Susie Bright, Annie Sprinkle, among others) to the sex side of the Castro. The dildotronics “movement” to the degree it really existed was an SF/Well/Mondo2000 effort.

If anything it was the weirdos who flooded SF starting in the 2000 boom who tried to squash it.

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Post by gumby »

hnov wrote: post #33
gumby wrote: post #29

> Many are based in Miami. It’s a place where young marketing types have embraced a vision of what the internet is actually for that is at odds with Silicon Valley’s: less a utopian escape from reality than an infinite expansion of its strip malls. I am glad there is a honeypot for people like this so they won't move here (SV or even SF)

Aversion to sex work aside, how’s this different than some of what’s done in Silicon Valley? Uber will happily extract the remaining equity in your car as you teeter on the brink of homelessness at which point DoorDash will be happy to make you your own boss. Maybe I’m just jaded because it’s hard to find a place to rent wherever there’s a booming market for Airbnb rentals.

Yeah, SF has become all about money since 2000 (well, since the gold rush 150 years ago) and is the kind of place that spawns the ubers and airbnbs, but SV is still quieter and mostly tech. It just doesn’t get the same press because new high speed interconnect isn’t a consumer item, nor is it as photogenic.

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Post by arolihas »

ratww wrote: post #115
maxerickson wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"impersonating the women in conversations with their subscribers" Is the idea that since the subscribers should know that it isn't the model that it doesn't matter that it isn't the model?

That's a bit of a strange situation. I can't get angry about something like this. On one hand, sure, the customer paid to talk to a specific model, and sure, scamming is wrong. On the other hand, those conversations are already so artificial and staged (and customers know it!) that it doesn't matter who has them. A service is definitely being provided, no harm done, just like "sending a post asking for an autograph"…

I don't think you can just say the customers know that everything is artificial and completely staged. Sometimes there are genuine parasocial relationships going on, especially with particularly vulnerable and lonely people who would pay for this. And what they're paying for is an interaction with that particular person, not someone pretending to be that person. Would you assert that the same service is being provided if it was a chatbot?

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Post by dayglo »

progrus wrote: post #119
samoa42 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wouldn't call it genocide because it is not a selective measure. but yea, "preventing births" does qualify

I meant to say that the phrase “medical/physical alternatives” in the context you used it, means genocide.

Or maybe just…free vasectomies? or even free condoms.

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Post by belval »

ivraatiems wrote: post #21
iratewizard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we get to that point, people will form pair bonds with holograms that text and video chat them on the go.

That's already happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/

This is actually very interesting, so a company is offering a "teach your own AI" thing so that you can build a "relationship" with it?

That's some blade runner/cyberpunk/black mirror stuff if I have ever seen some.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

hnov wrote: post #33
gumby wrote: post #29

> Many are based in Miami. It’s a place where young marketing types have embraced a vision of what the internet is actually for that is at odds with Silicon Valley’s: less a utopian escape from reality than an infinite expansion of its strip malls. I am glad there is a honeypot for people like this so they won't move here (SV or even SF)

Aversion to sex work aside, how’s this different than some of what’s done in Silicon Valley? Uber will happily extract the remaining equity in your car as you teeter on the brink of homelessness at which point DoorDash will be happy to make you your own boss. Maybe I’m just jaded because it’s hard to find a place to rent wherever there’s a booming market for Airbnb rentals.

My aversion is against people paying for that. Prostitution is legal in my country but strip clubs and similar businesses are far less popular it seems. There is also a negative stigma against those visiting such places. Not sure if that is a bad thing to be honest. Of course Uber and DoorDash are exploitative too, probably even worse for workers. Most people probably don't do a serious calculation for car ownership and maintenance. Likewise I have an aversion against people using these services too and then complain about low wages. An Uber might be cheap but you might dearly pay for it later.
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