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Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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As a Québecois, I have a theory about séparatisme: it is a clever ploy to get both levels of government to pander to Québec. The Federal and Provincial governments are always trying to outdo each other with concessions, largesse and favourable treatment.

Québec should not separate because the Sûreté du Québec (Provincial Police) are voyous (bums).

Personally I would not want to live in a land where I could not call the Rocky Mountains mine.

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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Being a Québecois, I am divided on this issue. To heavily summarize : Pro : - Only one level of corruption instead of two to keep in check. - A (sometime too zealous) protection of the language. Against : - Less international political weight - Companies forced to to business in french by law might gtfo since it incur costs - Weak military power (would we stay in NATO?) Globally : Our roads are already crap. Healthca…

As someone who grew up on the Ontario-Quebec border in Northern Ontario, to highlight why this is absurd you just need to realize that roads and healthcare are a provincial thing. Quebec is already responsible for funding those things. Furthermore, Quebec receives equalization payments from the rest of Canada because they run such a deficit. If they cut themselves off, things would only get worse. The two levels of c…

For the roads, I know it is totally on our own. This is why I put it in the "global" section... As soon as you get in Ontario, roads gets better. Healthcare was also in the global section. I know about péréquation and that Québec is a net receiver too. The "global" section is just sad state of affairs with no pro/cons separatism points.

The 2 level of corruption that I refer too is probably just the sponsorship scandal that left me a bitter taste of how my federal tax dollars were spent.

For the language though, I am not sure. Even Air Canada got fined a few times because they did not respect bilingualism.

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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The only reason I see this relevant to HN is because lots of tech companies have been opening Montreal offices over the past 20 years. We have 4 universities and most educated people are bilingual in spite of the officialdom. However the drumbeats of separatism are banging again [1], so might be relevant considering what happened to the Montreal economy the last times these idiots were allowed to lead by their inferi…

It's really depressing how little the wider Quebec population understands about the very serious economic consequences of separation. They don't understand that Montreal, and all it's immigrant workers, is paying for their doctors and retirement plans, the reason they can afford a big house, a boat and holidays in Cuba. Making cheap electricity and aluminium isn't enough.

There's a strong undercurrent of anti-Islamic and racial purity thinking in lots of the CAQ and PQ messaging. Frankly it's shocking how racist many of the policies are.

Meanwhile industry in general is being squeezed by lack of staff and the CAQ keep the flow of migrants to a trickle with painful bureaucracy. "Nous embauchons!"

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time of the referendum, at least, I recall that Quebec was a net recipient of federal funds, i.e. was not economically self-sufficient. I always assumed that played a role in the way the vote went: people expecting the Quebec economy to nosedive on independence. What's the situation now?

If they ever are not net recipients the formula gets changed so they are.

more specifically : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_payments_in_Canad...

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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post #15

The only reason I see this relevant to HN is because lots of tech companies have been opening Montreal offices over the past 20 years. We have 4 universities and most educated people are bilingual in spite of the officialdom. However the drumbeats of separatism are banging again [1], so might be relevant considering what happened to the Montreal economy the last times these idiots were allowed to lead by their inferi…

I don’t see anything about “racism” in 3 and 4. The first is about excluding religious symbols from public, which is what France does, and is an extremely left-wing notion. Certainly not what folks in “Georgia” would do. And the second is about mandatory French education. Explain to me where the “racism” is.

But Catholic religious symbols are not excluded -- they're everywhere, but it's called 'history' and 'culture'. The lengths CSDM builders go to to leave a giant crucifix on a school building undisturbed even when demolishing the rest are truly noteworthy.

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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post #15

The only reason I see this relevant to HN is because lots of tech companies have been opening Montreal offices over the past 20 years. We have 4 universities and most educated people are bilingual in spite of the officialdom. However the drumbeats of separatism are banging again [1], so might be relevant considering what happened to the Montreal economy the last times these idiots were allowed to lead by their inferi…

I don’t see anything about “racism” in 3 and 4. The first is about excluding religious symbols from public, which is what France does, and is an extremely left-wing notion. Certainly not what folks in “Georgia” would do. And the second is about mandatory French education. Explain to me where the “racism” is.

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Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see anything about “racism” in 3 and 4. The first is about excluding religious symbols from public, which is what France does, and is an extremely left-wing notion. Certainly not what folks in “Georgia” would do. And the second is about mandatory French education. Explain to me where the “racism” is.

I'd argue that it's the opposite, there's are a lot of discriminations against Québec from the english side, it's very apparent online and it's a bit shocking to watch to be honest. Those discriminations for sure helping the independence movement.

Besides criticism of laws like Bill 96 and 21 what discrimination is there? I don't think most English Canadians really care what Quebec and Quebecers do unless their pushing bad discriminatory laws. I think you'd see the same push back from the rest of Canada if Alberta decided to implement similar policies.

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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post #15

The only reason I see this relevant to HN is because lots of tech companies have been opening Montreal offices over the past 20 years. We have 4 universities and most educated people are bilingual in spite of the officialdom. However the drumbeats of separatism are banging again [1], so might be relevant considering what happened to the Montreal economy the last times these idiots were allowed to lead by their inferi…

I don’t see anything about “racism” in 3 and 4. The first is about excluding religious symbols from public, which is what France does, and is an extremely left-wing notion. Certainly not what folks in “Georgia” would do. And the second is about mandatory French education. Explain to me where the “racism” is.

About religon: you are correct, it's not racism, it's a different approach to multi-culturalism. The problem is, the ROC is intolerant and only consider that one valid approach to multi-culturalism exists: their own. Anything else is "racist".

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see anything about “racism” in 3 and 4. The first is about excluding religious symbols from public, which is what France does, and is an extremely left-wing notion. Certainly not what folks in “Georgia” would do. And the second is about mandatory French education. Explain to me where the “racism” is.

But Catholic religious symbols are not excluded -- they're everywhere, but it's called 'history' and 'culture'. The lengths CSDM builders go to to leave a giant crucifix on a school building undisturbed even when demolishing the rest are truly noteworthy.

The crucifix was removed from Quebec National Assembly a few years ago https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/crucifix-removed-nat...

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

#40
Quebec is represented by the CAQ at provincial level who are nationalist/separatist. Bloc at federal level who are also separatists. Quebec quite clearly wants to separate. Technically speaking if we were to have a nationwide referendum on 'should canada kick quebec to the curb' it would be overwhelmingly in favour of throwing quebec out.

So what's going on? If you go back 75 years. Quebec due to the language barrier has economic isolation. This makes them quite poor. Quebec has traditionally been very poor compared to the rest of the continent. To 'help', on average Quebec receives 40-75 billion more than they pay in taxes.

More importantly, lets say Quebec separates. Quebec is so screwed. They will be short so much money they effectively would be immediately forced to close all of their schools including post-secondary. AND immediately close all public healthcare. That's how much money Quebec would have to raise in taxes just to break even after losing Canada. Then they have to go further. What you think you dont need a military? Quebec has no trade agreements or alliances. They basically have to more than double their tax burden. I wonder if the people of Quebec feel like they are heavily undertaxed?

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