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Absurd Trolley Problems

neal.fun

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Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#501

did anyone else wear their unphilosophical sadistic karma-denying internet-can't-hurt-me hat to intentionally skew phony statistics because they thought everyone else would do the same?

A trolley problem is going uncontrollably down the tracks. Do you pull a lever to intentionally derail it, or let it pass without consequence? /s

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#502

I'm surprised to see the popular answer to Question 3. > Oh no! A trolley is heading towards 5 people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed. What do you do? Over 70% chose to pull the lever and destroy their life savings. People die of preventable causes in developing countries today. By choosing not to donate your life savings today to help them, you ar…

One of these trolleys made it to Guinea???

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#503

This kind of highlights a subtle interactive design or user experience component of the Trolley problem. Part of the Trolley Problem is that the choice is between an action or inaction. But these problems, or the first one at least, have two buttons. So you're making a choice. Yeah, some might argue it's a technicality. But what if you put the Do Nothing choice on a timer? What if you made it an asynchronous "Problem…

And like why is the trolley about to run over five people? And why can't you personally jump in the way? Who designed the train track? Same person that wants you to scapegoat some fatty?

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#504

These trolley problems are the stuff of nightmares wherein one becomes a world leader. If all outcomes are horrible, then your lever pulls or inactions will always be subject to valid condemnation. If you take a risk, you are judged by the outcome, not whether your choice was a good calculation.

The stuff of nightmares, or an encouragement of bravery to do the right thing regardless of the ambiguousnes and uncertainty?

A bit of both, for me.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#505
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You are discounting the simple possibility that 70% of respondents do not have any significant "life savings" to speak of.

Not to mention a lot of people measure account their wealth in more than just money. Reminds me of Richard Posner, former Chief Justice of the Seventh Appelate court. His essay on how poor people have no wealth so you need the threat of prison to keep them in line. And how middle class people you only need the threat of impoverishment to keep them in line. So you can just fine them. And wealthy people only need the t…

I think it used to be true. The Musks and Trumps have, like Neo in the Matrix, decided they have total control over their actions with no regard for mere perception any longer. Some people think the old framework is still valid, and others think it no longer applies.

People operating on different sets of facts!

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. I didn't consider any legal liabilities at all, and would easily break the law in order to sacrifice one person in trade for five people. I also didn't consider doing "nothing", not pulling the lever was also an act, and I didn't "see" any options doing nothing. Fun to see how differently people approach these ones :)

Actual law strongly discerns between action and inaction. For example the Polish penal code says you can only be criminally liable for a result of inaction only if you had a specific legal obligation to prevent it.

That's ok, it wouldn't change my mind anyway. If I can prevent more people from getting hurt, I'd be willing to break the law and take the punishment.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#507
Aside from the kill count calculations, the hardest thing for me here would be actually to be in the "position of power". Who are we to decide such things, even if we have some info (or think we have).

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#508

Can't believe how many people would prefer condemning passengers to an eternal trolley ride than explode them. True evil right there

That's just a description of normal life though. We must imagine trolleyphus happy.

Unless "eternal" means immortality, in which case it's even better than life!

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

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Curious if that would end the game (though not enough to try again)

It doesn’t. I wasn’t trying to make serious philosophical choices I was just having fun and picking whatever amused me.

I bounced after hitting level 21. Did you get to the end?

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#510

This kind of highlights a subtle interactive design or user experience component of the Trolley problem. Part of the Trolley Problem is that the choice is between an action or inaction. But these problems, or the first one at least, have two buttons. So you're making a choice. Yeah, some might argue it's a technicality. But what if you put the Do Nothing choice on a timer? What if you made it an asynchronous "Problem…

This is exacerbated by the summary at the end, giving you your "kill count".

For cases where you did nothing, you did not kill anyone. The trolley did.

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