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...as does KDE Plasma with Krunner: https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
and FVWM when you asign a key combination to open an xterm.
That is not even similar. Come on, play fair.
Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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>Sadly, the one non-standard thing that they continue insisting on is Snap. Snap was and largely is mainly for the server crowd, that they've shoved into the desktop. So in that regard I suppose it's at least consistent for them. That said, snap is still terrible, but Canonical always just does their own thing.
Docker won the server market years ago; Snap has no chance there.
Docker is a (declining) container format.
Snap is an app-packaging tool.
This is like saying that trumpets have won over bananas.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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From the article: > As a small example, the update makes right-clicking the trashcan in the Launcher to empty it work again, without needing to open the trashcan's own window. I feel like that single line illustrates just how badly GNOME has lost the plot over the last decade.
I'm using Ubuntu 20.04. Right clicking the thrash can icon works as intended.
Are you using Unity in 20.04, though?
I am; it is possible, but it is not the default. You have to manually install it. Even upgrading a 16.04 machine to 18.04 removed Unity by default and replaced it with GNOME.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
#194Unity’s global menu system was wonderful and once getting used to how well it used vertical space switching to gnome was like going back 10 years. Seeing multiple empty bars across the screen makes it completely unusable to me not to mention their need to replace simple menus with seemingly random icons scattered everywhere. I’m using kde plasma now with a global menu set up. It’s good but isn’t as hassle free as Uni…
Unity was a great project, but not all is lost. I've been using this GNOME extension for years, and it's been very solid: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1287/unite/ It emulates Unity quite well (removing the titlebars on maximized windows, among other things).
It only provides some of the cosmetic look of Unity. It doesn't provide any of the functionality, such as global menu bars, keyboard controls, a dock with both keyboard and mouse controls, and so on.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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If I recall correctly, both GNOME and Unity shared rejection from a number of users (I don't know if that was large group or just very noisy), and an approach to community management that was basically if you don't like, go away . In the early days, Unity was more usable than GNOME (could be my hardware, perhaps; apparently my nvidia drivers were buggy and I was told to change GPU), but back then Mark Shuttleworth wa…
I didn't hate Unity, but it had a bug (for me, and clearly a bunch of others based on the launchpad bug traffic for the bug I filed) that persisted for the entire time Canonical owned it, that meant I couldn't use it. I could repeat it very easily, just start the application using alt+f2 and use the keyboard to launch it (terminal, chrome, whatever). When triggered a window wouldn't be accessible over alt-tab. Was ru…
These are legitimate criticisms and some of the only ones I've seen in all these comments.
The only thing I'd say is that as someone using Unity almost every day for a decade now, I've never encountered a single one of them.
I am not saying that they are not real or did not affect you or anyone else. Merely that they are not widespread deal-breaker problems for all users, because I've never noticed a single one of them myself.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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Mir is still a product that Canonical ships and supports. The converged desktop/phone project was cancelled 4 years (many "not longs" in move-fast-and-break-things timescales) after the Edge proposal was cancelled and really really had nothing to do with the Edge proposal. I know and understand that I'm an insider with actual information and facts but the strongly-help uninformed opinion of randos on the internet is…
> the strongly-help uninformed opinion of randos on the internet Funny, based on my inside info you look to be one :) Maybe should shouldn't assume so much, since you are obviously keenly aware of of how one might look on the web.
It was amusing to read @bregma's comments here, because they said what I was thinking at each point.
The dates are a matter of public record, and trivially Googled. It is not "insider knowledge" to have a memory.
The phone flopped in 2014; the desktop and convergence projects weren't cancelled until the HN thread four years later.
IMHO as a Unity user, the phone deserved to flop. It offered no new compelling features. If it had had some big-ticket selling point, like a slide-out hardware keyboard -- something that used to be a widespread feature in smartphones before the iPhone -- then I would have backed it. I did back the Planet Computers Gemini and I have one. It's a lovely device.
But it didn't. To conflate these things is entirely bogus.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
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Should be noted that compared to Unity, GNOME 3 is an even more extreme variant of the phone/netbook UI.
I'm wondering why more people are not using KDE. It is a honest desktop environment which does not try to pretend phone/netbook or parrot Mac OS X. Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is.
The common "simple, honest" narrative about KDE is unfair and unjust.
Xfce is simple. LXDE is simpler still, and LXQt simpler than that.
KDE is not simple. It is a complex and elaborate environment with extremely complex customisation options, and it still doesn't do things I want from a Windows-like desktop.
- I can't set (or limit) the size of the Start button or the clock.
- I can't have a panel spanning 2+ screens. (That was an option; it was removed.)
- I can't have a vertical taskbar that works as well as Windows.
- It does not use Windows keystrokes, which in a Windows copy is unacceptable.
- If it is so customisable, why can't I have BeOS tabbed title bars? Or side title bars, like in wm2?
- Why can't I tick a box that says ALWAYS show me a menu bar, because I hate hamburger menus and never ever want them.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the strongly-help uninformed opinion of randos on the internet Funny, based on my inside info you look to be one :) Maybe should shouldn't assume so much, since you are obviously keenly aware of of how one might look on the web.
It was amusing to read @bregma's comments here, because they said what I was thinking at each point. The dates are a matter of public record, and trivially Googled. It is not "insider knowledge" to have a memory. The phone flopped in 2014; the desktop and convergence projects weren't cancelled until the HN thread four years later . IMHO as a Unity user, the phone deserved to flop. It offered no new compelling feature…
Amusing that you seem to have ignored to read other comments. And that you missed their contradiction: mir was formally cancelled (as if there was nothing between the phone and that) 4 years later and is still on shipping.
Anyway.
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was amusing to read @bregma's comments here, because they said what I was thinking at each point. The dates are a matter of public record, and trivially Googled. It is not "insider knowledge" to have a memory. The phone flopped in 2014; the desktop and convergence projects weren't cancelled until the HN thread four years later . IMHO as a Unity user, the phone deserved to flop. It offered no new compelling feature…
Amusing that you seem to have ignored to read other comments. And that you missed their contradiction: mir was formally cancelled (as if there was nothing between the phone and that) 4 years later and is still on shipping. Anyway.
OK, I'll bite. What do you think I missed?
Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was amusing to read @bregma's comments here, because they said what I was thinking at each point. The dates are a matter of public record, and trivially Googled. It is not "insider knowledge" to have a memory. The phone flopped in 2014; the desktop and convergence projects weren't cancelled until the HN thread four years later . IMHO as a Unity user, the phone deserved to flop. It offered no new compelling feature…
Amusing that you seem to have ignored to read other comments. And that you missed their contradiction: mir was formally cancelled (as if there was nothing between the phone and that) 4 years later and is still on shipping. Anyway.
Mir was not formally cancelled. It's still being developed and it's still shipping [0].