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Re: The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Post by krageon »

framapotari wrote: post #76
numerik_meister wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The website is taking advantage of the naivety of young women. I would not call it "benign management", just like, for example, I would also not say that online casinos are "benign" just because they are fully legal. Then it would be more appropriate to say that the website is not a pimp, but a madam.

Naivety seems to imply that what they are doing is wrong, or a mistake, but they don't understand it fully. Don't you think that's a paternalistic view? Do you know what's best for those women?

Clearly the poster thinks they do know what is best, it's just that it's founded on more than paternalistic views: They seem to equate sex work with gambling, which tastes fundamentally puritan.

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Post by notpushkin »

sp1rit wrote: post #74

> "You see how there’s a space before the exclamation mark?" he said. "Yeah, that’s how 18-year-olds type." I have never seen any 18-year-old type like this. Is this actually common in the US or just a thing of older folk imaging how an 18 -year-old might type?

From my experience (here in Europe), “18-year-olds” do a whole variety of

typing quirks

!!

(or at least used to, a couple years ago)

Re: The ‘E-Pimps’ of OnlyFans

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Post by e63f67dd-065b »

ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

I don’t think 70% is unreasonably high for a fully-featured agency doing everything from marketing, management, etc.

The value-add in this industry is not the model - there are plenty of beautiful women willing to take nudes in the world. The hard part is actually finding and extracting money from paying customers - cross-promoting with other models, spamming a million posts on every nsfw subreddit, having a human carefully determine how best talk to a customer and entice them into paying, etc.

Traditional porn studios of course take this farther - models just show up and act, and the studio pays for cameramen, editors, websites, marketing, promotion, distribution, etc. This is basically a smaller scale version of a porn studio, where now the actor is also the director and camera operator (although I would guess the largest accounts will have professional editors and the like) but all the other work is offloaded onto an agency.

I can easily imagine a Russian/Ukrainian model that doesn’t even speak a word of English (the traditional low-cost labour for the industry) using one of these agencies and making an order of magnitude more money after a 70% cut than they otherwise would.

The balance here is on who’s driving the value. Is the model special in some way such that they can draw large amounts of paying customers with little effort? Then they will accrue to themselves most of the profit in the industry. Otherwise it’s the people doing the marketing work that make the most money.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

capableweb wrote: post #79
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #78

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings". I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

I know a person who in the last years moved from doing sex work in the physical world, to using OnlyFans and other online resources since Covid began. Initially, she didn't offer "dick ratings" but there was so many requests for her to do it, that she started doing it. Now most of her profits is simply from people who want her to rate their dick. She's not Russian or have any affiliation to Russia. I think people are…

Yeah, not suggesting the whole practice is a front. But it would surprise me just as much if none of it was either. Seems too golden an opportunity for various bad actors for it not to be exploited. Hell, it even pays for itself.

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Post by wodenokoto »

prvc wrote: post #59

Interesting that models of only moderate attractiveness are in the highest demand due to creating a perception of "attainability". The connectivity of the internet makes them, de-facto, the most desired.

I first heard about this with the Japanese pop group AKB47.

Apparently the girls had to be somewhat plain in order for fans to feel some attainability during fan meet and greets.

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Post by aqme28 »

Timshel wrote: post #65
ivraatiems wrote: post #23

I have a lot of trouble begrudging anybody anything in this, even though I don't like it. The models who own the pages can't possibly give everyone in their subscriber base what they want. The subscribers are looking for a product, and they're getting it. The comparisons some have made to infidelity or cheating seem misplaced: There's no real relationship here, except a business relationship, and expecting a random w…

>and expecting a random woman to shower you with attention for $50 a pop videos seems unrealistic. So then what it's ok to take advantage and scam them ??? WTF ...

What scam? These are all upfront deals. Content is actually delivered.

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Post by karamanolev »

codebolt wrote: post #80
abigail95 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Negotiating different rates with different subscribers for the same video price discrimination is good! For the rest of it, banning porn is probably a losing battle, but surely we can make fraud illegal, like passing yourself off as someone else. For the rest of the what-ifs, do nothing, or call the police. I don't think pornographers should have a special duty to act over a shopkeeper or bus driver.

A lot can change over a decades time. I hope and believe that porn will eventually be a lot more restricted than it is today, as the societal downsides become more and more apparent.

While ubiquitous access porn is relatively new (I think) with printed magazines and now the internet, one still has a great reference from something much older - prostitution. One might conjecture that if society hasn't determined prostitution to be universally bad and banning it everywhere, then the same thing wouldn't happen to porn. A lot of progressive nations these days (citation needed) are aiming to regulate and make prostitution safer, not outright ban it. Now, aiming and succeeding are different things, I admit.

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Post by psyc »

codebolt wrote: post #80
abigail95 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Negotiating different rates with different subscribers for the same video price discrimination is good! For the rest of it, banning porn is probably a losing battle, but surely we can make fraud illegal, like passing yourself off as someone else. For the rest of the what-ifs, do nothing, or call the police. I don't think pornographers should have a special duty to act over a shopkeeper or bus driver.

A lot can change over a decades time. I hope and believe that porn will eventually be a lot more restricted than it is today, as the societal downsides become more and more apparent.

MYOB and leave my porn alone.

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Post by rsynnott »

capableweb wrote: post #79
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #78

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings". I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

I know a person who in the last years moved from doing sex work in the physical world, to using OnlyFans and other online resources since Covid began. Initially, she didn't offer "dick ratings" but there was so many requests for her to do it, that she started doing it. Now most of her profits is simply from people who want her to rate their dick. She's not Russian or have any affiliation to Russia. I think people are…

Simply submit the relevant evidence, and in two to four weeks, you receive a 15 page report, stamped by the Inspector of Dicks.

I mean, that's how I'm imagining it.

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Post by psyc »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #78

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of these models, including many Russians, offering "dick ratings". I always felt it likely at least some of these are managed by FSB as a way to gain blackmail material on western citizens. I have no evidence that's the case, except that it would be extremely doable and probably very effective.

It's a trend. The world of camming and OF is highly susceptible to trends, like other marketing / business arenas.
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