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Absurd Trolley Problems

neal.fun

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Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#111

59% would sacrifice their own life for five people? Someone been messing with the votes.

I don't think 59% of people would succeed in doing it and I say that as part of the 59%. At the same time I thought it was the "which is ethically preferable" answer which is what I interpreted the questions being about.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#113

>Oh no! Due to a construction error, a trolley is stuck in an eternal loop. If you pull the lever the trolley will explode, and if you don't the trolley and it's passengers will go in circles for eternity. What do you do? 50% of people pull the lever?!? I hereby declare that if I'm ever going to be stuck in a trolley for my entire life, I do NOT want the lever pulled. Toss me a smartphone charger and my life wouldn't…

* Hook up the trolley to a massive generator set and get free energy. Use the free energy to solve global warming and the energy crisis.

* Study the science behind the infinitely reliable trolley. If the science is tractorable then humanity wins.

* How are the people prevented from leaving the trolley? New science?

* Is the trolley just a thought experiment? Then we can think about other solutions.

* Is the trolley somewhere inaccessible? How did the people get there? Science.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#114
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How you going to eat buddy? You want the explosion option, or the starve to death option?

I didn't see anything in that prompt that said someone couldn't toss me my lunch while I pass by.

Like Charlie's wife in the Kingston Trio song about the MTA...

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#115
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Level 20 was weird. It was a choice between letting a trolley run as normal ("emits CO2, kills 3 people in accidents over 30 years") or running it into a brick wall and decommissioning it. For some reason more people picked the latter. So, they just dislike public transit? What about the emissions and death rate when everyone switches to cars instead? Goes to show how easily the context and exact wording of a questio…

Yes, the alternative could be more car driving which “emits CO₂ killing 12 people over 30 years”.

Or people walk instead, emitting no carbon and killing zero people...

This is what's fascinating about the Trolley Problem, and philosophy in general, and how it applies outside of philosophy - most people struggle to answer questions based on the evidence available without bringing in some external justification for their answer. People wamt a 'logical' reason to justify their choice. They can't say "I don't know", or "I used the limited data I had" when the choice they'd make goes against the something they belive about the real world (eg 'public transport is good'). They bring in a "but what if !" and make a decision based on that instead. They even believe they made the right choice.

This applies to everything from choosing a tech stack to picking who to vote for. It's infuriating once you see it.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a common utilitarian way of thinking is years of life left. A baby has a far greater expected value of remaining years and thus is often assigned higher moral value by people. For me it was a no-brainer to kill the old people, although I was imagining them as very old such that they each only had ~5 years left on average.

Mostly agreed. But in another society that values the wisdom of their elders, then they could see that as a large loss. Where-as the baby is replaceable with very little cost to society. I wonder if the stats would be different in an Eastern society.

I suppose it depends on infant mortality rate

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#117
Kill count: 84

Apparently I solved philosophy? Im gonna assume that title stays the same for everyone lol.

So, explanation for why so high.

Simply put; I don't believe 5 people really got tied to those rails each time. They are in on it somehow. If so, that is sick and twisted they would tie someone else to the rails purposely. So they deserve the trolley instead.

Now on the chance that they really are all innocent; I still have another problem with it.

How did they not overpower the person tying them up? The single person I can understand. Heck 2 people even. 3? 4? 5!?

no.

Something is up. That trolley is going over the 5.

(edit: Like seriously, these people would all have to have been knocked out with some drugged food or something at a party first... And that's assuming they stay asleep, don't struggle, etc...)

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#118

I'm surprised to see the popular answer to Question 3. > Oh no! A trolley is heading towards 5 people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed. What do you do? Over 70% chose to pull the lever and destroy their life savings. People die of preventable causes in developing countries today. By choosing not to donate your life savings today to help them, you ar…

You are discounting the simple possibility that 70% of respondents do not have any significant "life savings" to speak of.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's stuck for eternity, I think there is enough time to ask the stuck person what they want.

If you can communicate with the outside. Or maybe humanity exterminated itself besides the people in the magic trolley before you decided to get blown up.

That's the plot to _Snowpiercer_.

Re: Absurd Trolley Problems

#120

I'm surprised to see the popular answer to Question 3. > Oh no! A trolley is heading towards 5 people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed. What do you do? Over 70% chose to pull the lever and destroy their life savings. People die of preventable causes in developing countries today. By choosing not to donate your life savings today to help them, you ar…

Watching people get run over the trolley will harm me more, than the deaths of unknown people somewhere on the other side of the world will.
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