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Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by joshuamorton »

burrows wrote: post #28
joshuamorton wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See South Dakota v. Dole, which holds (among other things) that federal funding cannot be granted contingently on a requirement that would otherwise violate the constitution or be "coercive". This would almost certainly apply to the states via incorporation. So while a state could choose to not fund universities at all, if it chooses to, it cannot favor certain universities based on a speech-test.

Then you are arguing that these surveys would abridge free speech?

If done with the intent "to encourage intellectual diversity." Yes. At the point where you have intellectuals being required to register their views with the government, you're veering heavily into red scare territory.

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by nunez »

> "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed."

From the man that brought you "Don't Say Gay," championed the loss of American women's rights, and tried to criminalize towns creating mask policies during peak COVID, this coming from him is as rich as chocolate mousse from Paris.

This is, say, six steps away from that scene in _Handmaid's Tale_ where women walked by men who were hung for show.

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by tablespoon »

pvaldes wrote: post #20

Some people sound more and more desperate each day for provoking people to riot. The more angry, the better. Why do they do this? and why now? This is the good question. I would assume (I'm just speculating) that the goal is to make the Capitol assault look better by comparison. Or sell the idea that it was antifa, or galvanize their own forces again under the "them or us", "kill or be killed" etc... idea. If everybo…

> I would assume (I'm just speculating) that the goal is to make the Capitol assault look better by comparison. Or sell the idea that it was antifa, or galvanize their own forces again under the "them or us", "kill or be killed" etc... idea.

That kind of wild speculation is step 1 in "how to do conspiracy theory."

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by pvaldes »

tablespoon wrote: post #33
pvaldes wrote: post #20

Some people sound more and more desperate each day for provoking people to riot. The more angry, the better. Why do they do this? and why now? This is the good question. I would assume (I'm just speculating) that the goal is to make the Capitol assault look better by comparison. Or sell the idea that it was antifa, or galvanize their own forces again under the "them or us", "kill or be killed" etc... idea. If everybo…

> I would assume (I'm just speculating) that the goal is to make the Capitol assault look better by comparison. Or sell the idea that it was antifa, or galvanize their own forces again under the "them or us", "kill or be killed" etc... idea. That kind of wild speculation is step 1 in "how to do conspiracy theory."

> That kind of wild speculation is step 1 in "how to do conspiracy theory."

It seems that theory in this particular case was strong enough to became law (or we wouldn't have reached the "trial for conspiracy" phase).

Time will say how it ends but, for the smaller Idus of January at least, doing time is the only future possible.

Politicians are a lazy crew. If they bother to go out of their bath-masses routine to do something really unpopular, you can bet that there is a reward for doing it.

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by spacemanmatt »

Classic misdirection:

"It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where you'd be exposed to a lot of different ideas," DeSantis said at a press conference following the bill signing. "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed."

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by spacemanmatt »

nunez wrote: post #32

> "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed." From the man that brought you "Don't Say Gay," championed the loss of American women's rights, and tried to criminalize towns creating mask policies during peak COVID, this coming from him is as rich as chocolate mousse from Paris. This…

No kidding. DeSantis is fucking grim.

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by LaundroMat »

burrows wrote: post #9
quantum_state wrote: post #3

People should challenge this law in court and shot it down. One’s political view is none of the business of a state government, period.

The state (thru taxes) is funding the universities, right? Speaking for myself, if I was funding a university I would do things to encourage intellectual diversity. I’m more sympathetic to the more general view that education is not the business of state governments, period.

Education should not be a business.

Re: Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to register political views

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Post by stevenalowe »

mousebender wrote: post #36

PolitiFact flags this claim as false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/25/viral-imag... > "New Florida law doesn't require university students, faculty and staff to register political views"

We shall see this fall; the bill does not mention anonymity and desantis’ intent was pretty clear
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