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Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by asciimike »

hrkucuk wrote: post #20

God damn. If nothing this will be used to make ppl force vote for Erdogan in 2023... Just another propoganda tool to vote him :( And I was naively keeping up my hopes for this Turkey's 100th birthday elections, but it seems like he will follow a Nazarbayev model for himself. I can only hope him to get pulled into his bubble where he leaves important decisions to liable, honest people. But unless his "magistrates" com…

In case you're coming to this thread asking yourself why there are a bunch of comments like this, I really like https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-the-new-su... as an overview of "how we got here in the first place."

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by cronix »

Victerius wrote: post #29
exabrial wrote: post #15

Looking at some of the concentrations for neodymium and praseodymium... why _isn't_ magnet recycling more of thing? Certainly extracting those elements from waste is cheaper than raw ore.

I have a bunch of old (5-15 yrs old) HDD hard drives in a closet. Would that help? I don't know what to do with them.

I took mine out and use them as refrigerator magnets. They are awesomely strong. No more cheap magnets sliding down the refrigerator not holding weight.

Edit: Daughter really liked using the shiny platters in art projects (after degaussing with the RE magnets). I've reused some of the dc motors in other projects (arduino type stuff). All that's left is the small circuit board, read/write head and metal body to recycle.

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by ptk »

moralestapia wrote: post #28
dmitrygr wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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LOL, 46 tons would hardly ever be news, that's about the output of a medium-sized mine per minute .

That’s astonishing. I clearly don’t have any type of intuition for the amount of earth these mines are extracting, because the number you’re putting out there seems comical.

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by hinkley »

exabrial wrote: post #15

Looking at some of the concentrations for neodymium and praseodymium... why _isn't_ magnet recycling more of thing? Certainly extracting those elements from waste is cheaper than raw ore.

How do you collect enough rare earth magnets to be worth recycling them? I don't mean where do you find that many magnets, I mean how do you store, transport and then process them. You'd have to demagnetize them first, right?

It doesn't seem like the temperature requirements are outside of something one could do with pretty low end hardware, but the problem is that a lot of the equipment you might have to say do this in your garage would be ferrous, which is problematic. Maybe a recycling center wouldn't have that problem?

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by hinkley »

cronix wrote: post #32
Victerius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a bunch of old (5-15 yrs old) HDD hard drives in a closet. Would that help? I don't know what to do with them.

I took mine out and use them as refrigerator magnets. They are awesomely strong. No more cheap magnets sliding down the refrigerator not holding weight. Edit: Daughter really liked using the shiny platters in art projects (after degaussing with the RE magnets). I've reused some of the dc motors in other projects (arduino type stuff). All that's left is the small circuit board, read/write head and metal body to recycl…

I have a couple too, but I broke one by letting it leave my hand too far from the surface.

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by mda »

aiilns wrote: post #19
exabrial wrote: post #14

Turkey is in EU/NATO, but I question the relationship given Erdogan. My naive assessment is he is now "elected" for life by force. No idea if my perception is correct, but given their strategic geographical importance and this as well, It'd be a damn shame if democracy there disappeared.

Turkey is in NATO, not in the EU. I believe elections are to happen next year, although democracy in Turkey is probably not going to get better for it.

Why not?

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by oportunityastro »

vanattab wrote: post #30
Barrera wrote: post #25

The article is vague about the identities of the elements. They tend to occur together, but some are way more valuable than others. Cerium, for example, is considered a "rare earth" but is not that rare at all: > Cerium is the most abundant of all the lanthanides, making up 66 ppm of the Earth's crust; this value is just behind that of copper (68 ppm), and cerium is even more abundant than common metals such as lead…

Honest question. What is the distribution throughout the crust though? If something that is 66 ppm but near uniformily distributed could be much harder to extract then something that is 2.2 ppm but occurs I distinct viens.

It is nothing to do with anything. Copper is relatively abundant by this measure, but almost everyone who I know who has a view on copper see the future supply situation as terrible. There is politics, financial cycles, actual site economics...I mean the US right now is the perfect example of this, centuries of discovered natural gas reserves that is proven economic to take out of the ground, and natural gas is skyrocketing...it isn't that simple.

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by rlpb »

cronix wrote: post #32
Victerius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a bunch of old (5-15 yrs old) HDD hard drives in a closet. Would that help? I don't know what to do with them.

I took mine out and use them as refrigerator magnets. They are awesomely strong. No more cheap magnets sliding down the refrigerator not holding weight. Edit: Daughter really liked using the shiny platters in art projects (after degaussing with the RE magnets). I've reused some of the dc motors in other projects (arduino type stuff). All that's left is the small circuit board, read/write head and metal body to recycl…

We've put away all our awesomely strong fridge magnets while we bring up a child. It's not worth the risk of him swallowing them. I don't trust small magnets to stay inside larger plastic frames, either.

Re: Turkey Discovers 694M Mt of Rare Earth Element Reserves

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Post by philipkglass »

vanattab wrote: post #30
Barrera wrote: post #25

The article is vague about the identities of the elements. They tend to occur together, but some are way more valuable than others. Cerium, for example, is considered a "rare earth" but is not that rare at all: > Cerium is the most abundant of all the lanthanides, making up 66 ppm of the Earth's crust; this value is just behind that of copper (68 ppm), and cerium is even more abundant than common metals such as lead…

Honest question. What is the distribution throughout the crust though? If something that is 66 ppm but near uniformily distributed could be much harder to extract then something that is 2.2 ppm but occurs I distinct viens.

That's exactly what makes most of the rare earth elements "rare": they are common in the Earth's crust but rarely concentrated into easily mined deposits. Neodymium and praseodymium are also more common than tin but significantly more costly than tin because they don't form ore bodies like tin does under geochemical influences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth...

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