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New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by buscoquadnary »

belorn wrote: post #13

> ISA detects speed limits on roads through devices such as cameras and satnavs. My car will regularly detect speed signs that are adjacent to the highway, including those next to interchanges and exists. On many other occasion the camera detects signs from parallel roads and railroads, where the sign sits simply on the other side of a chain fence. Naturally as a human driver I know that 170km/h doesn't exist on road…

> The only way I could see a speed limiter like this would work is if there were a central control system with local knowledge of the road and those on the road, similar to how a subway control, airport control or rail way control works.

Now you're getting, it's all about the control. Once they've got the device in what's to stop the government from saying your car can go 0 miles an hour if they decide it is necessary? It's all about control my friend, all about control.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by IlPeach »

belorn wrote: post #13

> ISA detects speed limits on roads through devices such as cameras and satnavs. My car will regularly detect speed signs that are adjacent to the highway, including those next to interchanges and exists. On many other occasion the camera detects signs from parallel roads and railroads, where the sign sits simply on the other side of a chain fence. Naturally as a human driver I know that 170km/h doesn't exist on road…

I had exactly this kind of problems on an Audi I was renting in Switzerland where the car started suddenly braking while going 110 on a motorway. Freaked the shit out of me and the cars behind me as well. Wtf

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by johnisgood »

steveBK123 wrote: post #11
Hanschri wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to believe that the car would base that solely on GPS readings, it will likely be a combination of multiple systems, including cameras which read signage as you pass it, which is already commonplace in many newer models.

Then you’ve never driven a Tesla :-) On autopilot they do periodically do absolutely insane stuff like this due to bad map data, gps drift, lack of recent speed sign reading etc And they are supposed to be best in class

...and people think roads are perfect, too. That is a huge mistake. Try smaller cities in Eastern Europe. There is no way such a car could help you much there. When it comes to self-driving cars, yeah... no. It is really risky.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by Youden »

I think the title is a bit misleading.

The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate.

The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed limit, the symbol turns red. Unless you engage "cruise control", that's it.

If you do engage "cruise control", a few things happen. First, when the speed limit changes, the targeted cruise control speed will change and the car will either gently accelerate or gently decelerate (think 1kph of change in speed every second or so). You can always choose to override this by using the pedals, changing the set speed manually or turning it off.

Another thing the car will do is use radar to maintain distance between you and the car in front of you (the distance is somewhat configurable), which will also mean maintaining speed and coming to a stop if the car in front of you does.

However if you never turn on "cruise control", the feature is nothing but an easy to ignore red symbol on your HUD.

I really like the feature. Combined with other features like lane keeping assist, it makes driving on the motorway quite relaxing (though you still need to pay attention, this isn't meant to allow you to fall asleep at the wheel or anything).

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by buscoquadnary »

Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

> or by the accelerator pedal gently pushing their foot back.

> In some versions, the vehicle’s speed is automatically reduced.

Sounds to me like it isn't so optional, and of course how hard would it be to move it from optional to non-optional?

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by johnisgood »

Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

That sounds much better. I would freak out if my car would accelerate or decelerate on its own, especially when it does not have to. As other people have said, I do not think the technology is there yet. Maybe in major cities, highways it might be possible, eventually, but forget A LOT of roads.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by johnisgood »

buscoquadnary wrote: post #25
Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

> or by the accelerator pedal gently pushing their foot back. > In some versions, the vehicle’s speed is automatically reduced. Sounds to me like it isn't so optional, and of course how hard would it be to move it from optional to non-optional?

As I understand, you just have to have "cruise control" turned off, and these things will not happen.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by ultrarunner »

vasco wrote: post #20
yadaeno wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Speeding was a factor in 29% of all traffic fatalities in 2020, killing 11,258, or an average of over 30 people per day." Im not saying beeping will stop all of this but I think its a large low hanging fruit in terms of road safety. You will strongly disagree with this but mandatory breathalyzers are another. I would love if these rules were not necessary but drivers (in the US at least) have proven that they are no…

> I dont think anyone disagrees with speed limits Hello there, I disagree with speed limits on any highway, as well as most well built roads that don't have pedestrians adjacent. I'm not a civil engineer or traffic researcher, but I do disagree with them. Having ridden on the autobahn I also didn't feel less safe there.

I also disagree with many (and most freeway) speed limits, but I also disagree with car-centric urban design and the zoning that makes it the least-bad option. Pedestrians (read: people, including those under 16 and over driving age) shouldn't be forced to deal with adjacent traffic just to go about their daily lives. I mention this because I suspect the person-traffic interface is a major justification for speed limits in the first place.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by tomc1985 »

yadaeno wrote: post #6

This is great, data shows that beeping is effective for increasing seatbelts usage, I see no reason why this wouldn't apply to speeding. I hope they take this a step further. Cars should not be able to exceed 90mph unless you have a special license for the track. 99.9% of drivers are not tracking their car and theres absolutely no reason a 6000lb pick up truck needs to go 150mph under any circumstance. https://www.nc…

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