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Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by titzer »

johndhi wrote: post #18

Everybody acts like tech companies get tremendous value from analyzing PII. Almost all of tech (perhaps excluding fb) mostly just collects pii because it's easier to do so than not, and because everybody else is. If it were banned in a clear sensible way worldwide I don't think the tech would suffer much.

The revenue difference I have heard, ballpark, for targeted advertising (based on tracking) on the web, en masse is 2x. So the gajillion dollar online ad industry would only be set back by 4 or 5 years. So, 2018? Not bad. I say, do it. Ban targeted advertising on the web.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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johndhi wrote: post #18

Everybody acts like tech companies get tremendous value from analyzing PII. Almost all of tech (perhaps excluding fb) mostly just collects pii because it's easier to do so than not, and because everybody else is. If it were banned in a clear sensible way worldwide I don't think the tech would suffer much.

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Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by Toxygene »

hef19898 wrote: post #50
Toxygene wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] why was it never codified in law? The findings of the SCOTUS in Roe v. Wade was: The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus. [1] In other words, *the SCOTUS finding said* abortion was codified in law -- the U.S. Constitution. Edit: clarified the summary to attribute the findin…

Except it was not as the SCOTUS just ruled.

The question was not about the most recent finding of the SCOTUS. The question was, why wasn't abortion codified into law since Roe v. Wade.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by nequo »

mvdwoord wrote: post #25

Plenty of uproar after Roe v Wade overturning, even here in the EU but.. The real shame is leaving lawmaking to the courts due to political opportunism. I am fully in favor of legalized abortion, but why was it never codified in law? Not a priority according to democratic politicians. Not a priority. So, you reap what you sow if you ask me. I learned that many countries, including my own, made, and make that mistake…

> but why was it never codified in law?

IANAL but in common law, precedent should guide the interpretation of the law. And the precedent was Roe v. Wade.

Of course there's other precedent that we do effectively ignore, like Plessy v. Ferguson. So you're right, it should have been codified in law. But any such law would be erased by Congress too next year when everything turns red.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by core-utility »

swearwolf wrote: post #43
core-utility wrote: post #15

Is this anything more than just fear-mongering? I don't see how this is related to the Roe reversal at all. Not a single state has given any inkling of ruling/law aimed at prosecuting the receiver of the abortion, only doctors/person who performs them. Privacy is good and these issues should be evaluated, but to talk about them in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision is dishonest.

Purvi Patel was sentenced to 20 years in prison in Indiana for inducing a miscarriage through abortion drugs. Indiana also charged Bei Bei Shuei with murder and attempted feticide after her baby died following her suicide attempt. Not every state seems intent on charging women, but I think it’s hopelessly naive to believe that none will.

In both cases, intentional harm or neglect was caused by a person resulting in the death of the baby. I see no difference between this and someone being charged for double homicide in killing a pregnant mother. Still doesn't prove the point of any state aiming to prosecute a mother seeking legal options in another state.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by turndown »

mvdwoord wrote: post #25

Plenty of uproar after Roe v Wade overturning, even here in the EU but.. The real shame is leaving lawmaking to the courts due to political opportunism. I am fully in favor of legalized abortion, but why was it never codified in law? Not a priority according to democratic politicians. Not a priority. So, you reap what you sow if you ask me. I learned that many countries, including my own, made, and make that mistake…

>Not a priority according to democratic politicians. Not a priority.

In the US, a ruling like this(ironic to say right now) is so much more ironclad than a law is in general, if people are going to come after it. Legal challenge after legal challenge slowly boils laws away until you have so many exceptions about portions of a law specifically struck down that the whole thing doesn't even make sense anymore. And of course, any time Republicans controlled the House/Senate they'd probably do something with it, just like every time a Republican is elected President they stop giving monetary support to organizations GMOs that provide abortion services in foreign countries. You can't really have laws about "controversial" things for very long.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by Teknoman117 »

Toxygene wrote: post #46
mvdwoord wrote: post #25

Plenty of uproar after Roe v Wade overturning, even here in the EU but.. The real shame is leaving lawmaking to the courts due to political opportunism. I am fully in favor of legalized abortion, but why was it never codified in law? Not a priority according to democratic politicians. Not a priority. So, you reap what you sow if you ask me. I learned that many countries, including my own, made, and make that mistake…

> [...] why was it never codified in law? The findings of the SCOTUS in Roe v. Wade was: The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus. [1] In other words, *the SCOTUS finding said* abortion was codified in law -- the U.S. Constitution. Edit: clarified the summary to attribute the findin…

> that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus.

Unfortunately the 14th amendment does not explicitly say that. Therefore we've been operating off of the court's previous interpretation of the 14th amendment, which has now changed.

So unless Congress can pass legislation legalizing it federally without any ambiguity, it's going to be left up to the states.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by PathOfEclipse »

mvdwoord wrote: post #25

Plenty of uproar after Roe v Wade overturning, even here in the EU but.. The real shame is leaving lawmaking to the courts due to political opportunism. I am fully in favor of legalized abortion, but why was it never codified in law? Not a priority according to democratic politicians. Not a priority. So, you reap what you sow if you ask me. I learned that many countries, including my own, made, and make that mistake…

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jessica-biel-takes-shot-at-am...

This article is illustrative of the ignorance, malice, and hypocrisy of America's social elite. Jessica Biel implies France has women's rights while the U.S. does not. And yet:

* Neither France, nor any other nation I am aware of, provides a constitutional right to abortion.

* The law upheld by the Dobbs decision is less restrictive on abortion than France's current abortion laws!

Speaking of hypocrisy, We see rage from so many people who frequently bemoan the state of "our democracy" and at the same time could care less about democracy. They only care about winning. If they can win through democratic vote, fine. If they can win through a supreme court ruling, fine. If they can win via executive fiat, fine. All that matters is winning.

From https://www.dailywire.com/news/wanda-sykes-mocks-middle-amer....

Wanda Sykes is basically asking for a wealth-based oligarchy to rule the U.S. All the folks in middle states need to "shut up" because the wealthy elites on the coasts are making all the money, so they should make all the decisions!

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by Mordisquitos »

Toxygene wrote: post #53
hef19898 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it was not as the SCOTUS just ruled.

The question was not about the most recent finding of the SCOTUS. The question was, why wasn't abortion codified into law since Roe v. Wade.

If the right to an abortion was already codified in law by the U.S. Constitution, why was a ruling on Roe v. Wade even necessary?

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Post by cato_the_elder »

maxerickson wrote: post #48
cato_the_elder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are not examining the particular information they are deleting in order to determine whether it is potentially evidence. Of course they are, unless I am misunderstanding what they are doing. It seems that they are specifically deleting location data with regards to visits to abortion clinics. [1] [1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/google-data-abortion-clinics-1...

There is no such thing as an abortion clinic, there are facilities that provide a range of healthcare services, potentially including abortions.

> a range of healthcare services

Come on man, that's just muddying the water. The courts do care about intent, and Google's intent is clear in this case.

Also, that's like saying there is no such thing as a gun shop, just a retail business providing access to various kinds of gear.

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