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Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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I still don't understand how the Roe = privacy take has been legitimate when the US has completely ignored the privacy of its citizens in many other contexts, including decades of the NSA and other alphabet agencies spying on us. Granted, I would love there to be an explicitly stated right to privacy from government (up to some limitations determined by the courts, e.g. when government needs to investigate, say, an a…

The constitutional right to privacy is, specifically, a right to government non-interference in matters considered to be private.

That the surveillance apparatus might know you visited a doctor, and what you discussed, does not grant the government the ability to prosecute you based on that information - because it is considered to be a matter of the private activities of a citizen.

i.e. who or how you have sex is between you and your partner(s) provided everyone consents - the matter remains private, even if in the course of doing so someone tapes it or something.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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I'd go a little further and say that tech has exacerbated the failings of the USA.

I'd go even further and say that tech is fundamental in the destruction of the fabric of American society.

This. Social Media has advanced the fiefdoms at an alarming rate. No matter how strange or out of touch your ideas, you can find similar people to reinforce them. When your only connection is with people that agree with you it becomes 'us vs them' and extremely insular. Throw in 'click bait' news and you have a growing level of fear and uncertainty that adds to the comfort of staying within your tribe.

Civil society takes work and we aren't doing that work in the US right now. No one wants to discuss things, they just want to yell down the other person. We need to get out on the front porch and talk instead of posting from our basements.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Which law in this case? Be specific, what law requires them to not treat particular healthcare facilities differently with regards to data collection?

Not tampering with evidence? [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence

A blanket rule on data collection isn't tampering with evidence. They are not examining the particular information they are deleting in order to determine whether it is potentially evidence.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Is this anything more than just fear-mongering? I don't see how this is related to the Roe reversal at all. Not a single state has given any inkling of ruling/law aimed at prosecuting the receiver of the abortion, only doctors/person who performs them. Privacy is good and these issues should be evaluated, but to talk about them in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision is dishonest.

The legal basis for the roe decision is "a general right to privacy" which was argued on the basis that the 10th amendment reserves unenumerated rights(0) to be regulated by the states, then preserved for the individual. Since the constitution makes no mention of privacy, if you believe it's a right, it would fall into the category of "unenumerated". IIRC prior to roe, there are no supreme court decisions about the right to privacy, so it's considered the foundational legal precedent for privacy. Depending on how the arguments in the most recent case are written (I have not read them) it could be interpreted as no roe, no privacy, unless it's explicitly carved out by other decisions subsequent to roe (1)

(0) Technically the amendment makes a statement about powers, so you have to consider "rights" to be the inverse of "government power" for this argument to make sense.

(1) technically the constitution does not give the supreme court the power of judicial review - it was carved out of whole cloth by the courts itself, which is exactly the situation that the constitution is supposed to prevent Congress from doing (not surprisingly it's largely failed at that too) so the American system currently has gaping hole(s) in its legitimacy that you must look aside to accept all of these premises.

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Neoconservatism too. Let's not forget about Bush, Blair, Powell and Iraq...

Neoliberalism is an economic philosophy. It's not tied to "progressivism" or "conservatism". In short, it promotes free-market economics without borders.

Where did I mention progressivism or conservativism? Neoliberalism is intrinsically tied to politics because you can't affect economic policy without getting involved in the political system...

Regardless, your implications surrounding my comment, and my intent by making it, are incorrect. Both movements have been disastrous for the United States.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd go a little further and say that tech has exacerbated the failings of the USA.

Not all tech. There are specific actors and business models.

That comment needs expansion and amplification.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Is this anything more than just fear-mongering? I don't see how this is related to the Roe reversal at all. Not a single state has given any inkling of ruling/law aimed at prosecuting the receiver of the abortion, only doctors/person who performs them. Privacy is good and these issues should be evaluated, but to talk about them in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision is dishonest.

> but to talk about them in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision is dishonest I disagree, this is an example of why data collection can be scary. Data that was perfectly inane yesterday can be used against people tomorrow. How much data do the powers-that-be have access to that can be used similarly in the future? The dystopian view is that they'll be able to paint any narrative if you fall in their cross…

Living in Texas, I strongly agree with you.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Is this anything more than just fear-mongering? I don't see how this is related to the Roe reversal at all. Not a single state has given any inkling of ruling/law aimed at prosecuting the receiver of the abortion, only doctors/person who performs them. Privacy is good and these issues should be evaluated, but to talk about them in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision is dishonest.

You've got the de facto situation in Texas though. Anyone being allowed to sue you for getting an abortion effectively means that the "state" can come after you. Make no mistake, these laws aim to harm anyone involved. The entire context of this discussion stems from the decision. You're wrong, and frankly, a little churlish.

Texas' situation is specifically worded for the state not to come after you. It's a citizen's matter. "this statute does not limit who can bring suit, so long as it is a private citizen"

Additionally, in the Texas case you can't sue the mother, only those who aid in performing the abortion.

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not tampering with evidence? [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence

A blanket rule on data collection isn't tampering with evidence. They are not examining the particular information they are deleting in order to determine whether it is potentially evidence.

> They are not examining the particular information they are deleting in order to determine whether it is potentially evidence.

Of course they are, unless I am misunderstanding what they are doing. It seems that they are specifically deleting location data with regards to visits to abortion clinics. [1]

[1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/google-data-abortion-clinics-1...

Re: Roe's overturn is tech's privacy apocalypse

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First I believe in equality and all humans should have a shot at a good life based on merit.

However, I also see that the road to hell is paved with good intentions and we are on this trajectory.

We decided that men and women are equal (which they are to a large degree) on all aspects. We believe in this part of the world that women should have just the same say and power as the most powerful men (usually white) do.

Yet all we've done is concentrate power at the most attractive, most white , most affluent group of men and women while taking it away from other groups.

We told ourselves that we achieved a better society with this skewed distribution of power because finally, women and men are able to compete for the same jobs AND same sexual powers that we've traditionally never dealt with.

Contraception is THE main enablers of this new paradigm shift. However, what society deems women who are unattractive or "not it" do not benefit. Similarly, men who society deems unattractive or "not it" do not benefit. These groups are further pushed away into the fringes while the "it" crowd receives all the benefits. Contraception technology increases women's sexual capital because they no longer have to worry about pregnancy. This creates losers on both side of the gender and they both engage in toxic competition. Social media further magnifies and increases the impact on people's mental health. The same groups are also aligned with this political scaffolding because they benefit by not having to discriminate by genders or race, and able to hire people based largely on merit.

Outside this bubble, there is a growing sense of anger, especially in regions where they've largely witnessed the loss of the old power structure and economic powerhouses that once provided the social stability.

Coupled with the fact that there is the greatest amount of highly educated young, marginally employed demographic, who are online all the time, you get a recipe for unstability.

I absolutely believe that an individual should have agency over their own body and mind. However, I also recognize that we've confused individual liberty and freedom with apathy. Apathy is in demand because people think that's what enables their freedom, it only pushes people away into isolation, extremism. The freedom to think, say, act whatever is the power they believe must champion all else and because of this attachment that an individual forms with his own thoughts and ideas, it is unable to reconcile the differences in reality vs expectations which is filled with ideals and half baked ideas.

So with all these things in mind, is it not a natural progression that this society creates angry, self-loathing, self-obsessed, individuals looking for an escape? The ideal avatar they create online vs the real one they need to live as, this cognitive dissonance when paired with apathy from society and the individual creates extreme stress.

This is my take on America. Take it or live it but I will leave this bit:

    The perfect slave engages in a self-dialogue that convinces himself they are free and that they belong to an apathetic, materialistic, shallow, vapid society we've built today. All started with nothing but good intentions.
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