The web is not poor man’s native (2015) • Hacker News Board

Re: The web is not poor man’s native (2015)

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Post by Supermancho » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

randomtwiddler wrote: post #119

Supermancho wrote: post #114

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You're subtly conflating "native app" vs "app" by using slightly different terminology. For the purposes of being exact, I'll assume you mean "app" - regardless if it's a hybrid with a webview or pure native apis. > Users rarely, if ever, install apps My local car wash now has an app and my wife promptly installed it, because of some vague rewards tracking. The vast majority of mobile usage is through apps. That's a…

> You're subtly conflating "native app" vs "app" by using slightly different terminology. For the purposes of being exact, I'll assume you mean "app" - regardless if it's a hybrid with a webview or pure native apis. It's not a conflation, it's intentional because it is what the parent poster claimed. I agree that there is more to it. > My local car wash now has an app and my wife promptly installed it, because of som…

> It's not a conflation

It is. You used slightly different phrasing, trying to broaden the conversation to act like it's part of a refutation of points being brought by who you respond to.

> > Users rarely, if ever, install apps

> I can also match with anecdotes of users intentionally avoiding the app in favor of the mobile site for

This is derailing..again. I was bringing up an experience that is familiar to anyone who has friends & family (someone who install every app they can). Matching anecdotes adds nothing, as you just want to argue rather than try to understand how your perceptions are biased against reality.

App usage dwarfs web usage because someone installed the app. You're just wrong and I can't tell if it's disingenuous. This discussion is not worth working around your constant attempts to avoid the points at hand and I will have to assume you're just another unintentional luddite.

> The majority of traffic is mobile and apps still rule that platform due to both a superior experience and better interfaces.

To the point of UI superiority (you know, the original contention between us), it's trivial to account for trying to put a url in to a mobile device vs an icon for an app. That alone is a superior UI. The app gives a better experience, on average.

https://digitalmarketing.temple.edu/bpalestino/2019/07/17/mo...

Gl with whatever.

Re: The web is not poor man’s native (2015)

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Post by EGreg » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 9:59 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #106

EGreg wrote: post #94

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Lots of developers DO work with the next generation of stuff, from solidity to matrix.org to LBRY to Dat to IPFS etc. And our stuff too. I am not upset at all! In fact I know where you’re coming from because I have seen it so often on HN. It just seems very strange to me that this is happening on a site that started with promoting a “hacker ethos” and “hacking on things” — which is totally associated with rebelling A…

There's a number of ways I can prove you wrong here, and I find it pretty endearing that you "know where I'm coming from" but think that things like Matrix and the Fediverse are foreign to me. Zero-knowledge proofs, look at you! It's like Little Einsteins in here. Here's the gist: I despise centralized services. Apple, Google and Microsoft are some of the most evil companies I can imagine, and their atrocities that t…

OpenSea was a YCombinator-incubated and promoted company. Ironic that you say HN downvotes it. It is quintessentially that VC-backed Web2 play that may as well cut out the web3 entirely since all wallets just use their APIs. They may as well BE the platform for NFTs. And according to you, that would be an improvement over the current space! That’s a great example actually, it’s very telling that you’re calling out a company that is literally the epitome of VC backed startups trying to turn Web3 into Web2 again, and call it “the bad decentralization”. Sure — the vast majority in the NFT space are looking for a viable alternative to OpenSea exactly BECAUSE it’s that.

Whereas IPFS and BitTorrent were explicitly started as decentralized alternatives with no central point of failure (the latter as a response to the shutdown of Napster). And then they went ahead and created FileCoin and BTT to pay for things in this decentralized ecosystem.

So puh-leeze, you Web2 maxis haven’t been able to even produce good open source alternatives to the Big Tech that totally captured everything in your space. And Web3 guys have captured a lot more momentum and people. And you don’t get to say that FileCoin and BTT aren’t Web3, and that Web3 is whatever you don’t like.

Sure, Web3 was also captured by greed (of the early speculators who finally got to play VC) which is why we need Web4 and Web5. Things evolve. Web2 and Bitcoin maxis want things to stay the same as they were 12 years ago. But the world is moving on. Just wait the next few years as most Web2 things you know (badges, communities) go decentralized (NFTs and DAOs). Metaverse, Apple Glass and then neuralink etc. thankfully we won’t have corporate-controlled metaverses be the only solution, that would be even more dystopian than today’s Big Tech. You’d literally be the Borg.

But hey, I guess you LIKE to be locked into AWS for their totally centralized and overpriced data centers (which they call “the cloud” to evoke feelings of decentralized Internet) and believe that’s the only way you can be compliant with regulations of your centralized governments. Where actually, end-to-end encryption and resilience can increasingly be found in decentralized systems, and credit cards with their PCI compliance are replaced with self-custodied private keys and cryptocurrency.

Re: The web is not poor man’s native (2015)

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Post by bob1029 » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC

ansgri wrote: post #66

bob1029 wrote: post #7

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> There are really 2 use cases: mobile portrait mode and everything else I mostly agree. I am currently tasked with building a brand new mobile/desktop web app from scratch, and this is the path I have chosen as well. The breakpoint I am working with right now is 980px. Seems to be a goldilocks setting in 2022.

980 > 1920 / 2, making split-screen view on a typical laptop very annoying. What’s the reasoning behind this number. Like, make it 900 and drastically more cases are covered.

I really appreciate this comment. You drew my attention to the fact that I had been testing on a 1440p monitor, so this behavior wasn't present in my initial testing (side-by-side with dev tools). I agree that 900 is a better breakpoint for the more typical desktop/laptop screen resolutions.