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Re: Mendon, Missouri

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> And the most unusual thing about all this is: None of this is unusual. At least not within the national tapestry that is The Great American Small Town. It also isn't unusual in the cities. Humans are wonderful and terrible everywhere. It reminds me of the 30 Rock episode where Jack and Liz go to Georgia to find a new comedian in touch with the "real America" and Liz keeps insisting that all Americans are real Ameri…

When I lived in Chicago I saw the aftermath of a car/moped accident up close. I had just gotten off the L at Western and was walking to the north exit. To my right was a moped turning left under the tracks and to my left was a sedan driving out of an alley, also turning under the tracks.

I heard a crunch and a group of people at the exit all jumped and rushed over. I hadn't seen the actual accident, but feared the worst. Once I was street level the group that had rushed over had already called 911, was comforting the person on the moped (they were fine, at most concussed), and directing traffic around the accident. I ended up leaving because there wasn't anything to do and didn't want to get in the way.

60 seconds was all it took for a group of strangers to provide an overwhelming amount of help.

Walking home, I heard the siren of the ambulance, but that eventually faded as I walked another block or so, the scene of the accident swallowed by the vastness of the city.

I probably walked past a couple hundred people or so that evening, all of them unaware of what had happened under Western, yet filled with the hope all of them could provide an overwhelming amount of help.

Re: Mendon, Missouri

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I don't agree that the root is the income/wealth gap, but it certainly is playing a big role in the divide. > little meaningful difference income-wise between Democrats and Republicans? https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... is striking-- and when you look into the sub-demographics of the lowest and highest band it gets more interesting still-- e.g. that 27% in the lowest income band is shock…

>certainly is playing a big role in the divide. The only divide is in whether it’s something that is even a problem that needs to be addressed. Income inequality doesn’t divide people itself, just the focus on it does.

> Income inequality doesn’t divide people itself

I don't agree. We're increasingly divided along lines that are very well correlated with demographic factors. Like, age, sure, but also income, religion, race, etc.

And the link makes it pretty clear income is a pretty strong predictor of political leanings. (And when you combine income + rural/urban split, it's a very strong one).

Re: Mendon, Missouri

#143

> And the most unusual thing about all this is: None of this is unusual. At least not within the national tapestry that is The Great American Small Town. It also isn't unusual in the cities. Humans are wonderful and terrible everywhere. It reminds me of the 30 Rock episode where Jack and Liz go to Georgia to find a new comedian in touch with the "real America" and Liz keeps insisting that all Americans are real Ameri…

Although I agree with it I think that small towns have something that is lost in big cities which is the sense of community, and that is simply because in towns you know every single person that has some impact in your daily live. My family is from a small town who moved to the city right before I was born and there is something my mom said to me when I was a kid that got stuck in my mind which is the awareness of de…

The downside of the small town community is if you are not accepted in it. There is no alternative.

In cities, you have many communities, and if you aren’t accepted in one you can find another.

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I believe that this is incorrectly simplistic, if only because these sorts of situations by definition exist at the interface between a railroad and either a private or government road. Having the line operator (which I'm taking to mean railroad owner, in this case BNSF) bear 100% of the burden of providing full crossing protection creates an unbalanced situation (in terms of the cost to be borne). I'm not an expert,…

I used to work for BNSF, I'm well aware of how those programs materialize on the private end. Sometimes states will chip in, but it's mostly on the line owner. You can't just install a crossing anymore. They're wired into national and global networks that are part of track-side overhauls. Additionally, when AMTRAK goes over BNSF lines (at least when I worked there) you don't have automated train control (which is rea…

The situation is quite confusing. Restricting the discussion to the vast numbers of existing RR/road crossings (not new crossings), then to what degree does the state control the installation of automated crossing protection (upgrades)? The various articles I read about this crash strongly suggest that MODOT is largely throttling which RR/road crossing automated protection upgrades are executed, and implies this throttling is largely because of state spending limits. But if as you say most of the cost of these upgrades is to be borne by BNSF, why would MODOT be reluctant to compel BNSF to spend money upgrading crossing protection throughout their state? If BNSF had refused such "suggestions" by the state, I would expect to made aware, post crash, of how evil BNSF was in not performing needed safety upgrades requested/commanded by the state, how the state is suing BNSF to compel them to do so, and how BNSF is 100% liable for the damages related to this crash. But that isn't what I read in any of the articles related to this crash. This strongly suggests to me that the state bears significant, perhaps gating, responsibility here.

Any clarification of what's going on in this regard would be appreciated.

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Any state that was a slave state and member of the Confederacy is part of the South.

Any state that was a slave state and member of the Confederacy is part of the South. Missouri was never a member of the Confederacy. Slavery was in force before the Civil War, but do you really propose a rule that would also see Delaware considered part of the South? It's dumb to use state lines anyway. For example, Branson MO has a lot stronger claim to be part of the South than Sedalia MO, a town of which some peop…

I'd be willing to admit Delaware on a technicality. To me "the South" doesn't refer to geography so much as the common referent of slavery in American culture. Maybe states like Deleware can be called "South adjacent."

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Yes. I think people are good overall. I think the biggest reason people in small towns may be a bit quicker to help is that people in cities are a little conditioned by the bystander effect to assume that people around them, or the authorities, are better equipped to help. But any random individual asked for help in a city is likely to go well beyond their duty and be quite helpful.

> I think people are good overall. Until a certain amount of sacrifices have to be made. Then things start getting tribal. The sacrifices do not even have to be material, simply sacrificing or losing socioeconomic status relative to others is sufficient.

speak for yourself

Re: Mendon, Missouri

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Americans are especially good when it comes to large efforts over the course of a short space of time to solve a major problem. Americans are also especially bad at tackling problems that require a small, consistent, amount of help over a long period of time. I’m honestly not sure why this is.

There's no real basis for this. America is at the forefront of any number of long running projects. Cancer research, self driving cars, and all things space are three things that immediately jump to mind.

Re: Mendon, Missouri

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Just as a counterpoint to this, here's a murder in small town Missouri, not too far from Mendon: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox2now.com/news/true-crime/mis... Nobody said anything about it in 40 years. There's a lot more nuance to small town people pulling together than the train wreck shows. I grew up outside of Kirksville MO. I've even taken the Southwest Chief from La Plata one or two stops NE of Mendon, to Newt…

Having lived in both areas, cities make people crazy. Everyone spends so much time trying to stand out. Look at my fashionable clothing. Look at my exotic sexual identity. Nobody is comfortable in their own skin. There are no consequences to bad behavior because people are disposable and reputation is unimportant when there are 10million other suckers that don’t know you’re a dirtbag.

I don’t think we’ve evolved to live among millions of people.

Re: Mendon, Missouri

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> I think people are good overall. Until a certain amount of sacrifices have to be made. Then things start getting tribal. The sacrifices do not even have to be material, simply sacrificing or losing socioeconomic status relative to others is sufficient.

Retake political science please. The advent of the agricultural revolution, the telegraph, and the teletype each resulted in massive increases in "tribal size". To the point that after the teletype, it was a bipolar cold war. So I don't think you have any qualifications to say a single word in this matter.

Your comment has broken the site guidelines badly. We ban accounts that do that, so could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? We definitely don't want swipes or flamebait in HN comments.

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The absence of traffic control devices isn't unusual, but it's most certainly condemnable. Being in a denser area where crossings generally have a light and a gate, it really irks me when I see a no-visibility at-grade crossing with just an intended-to-be-ignored "yield" sign for the road. It's nothing more than a pathetic fiction to legally cover the railroads ass after the fact, and the setup should be outright ill…

This is the real story behind the story - a giant corporation creating a dangerous situation for the sake of profit, a government which does not protect people but corporate profits, and a small town that sits by and allows this to happen, but will pitch in and carry off the bodies when tragedy inevitably strikes. One person in the town did try to prevent this, but one person is not enough in the face of everyone els…

(Disclaimer: This is just personal knowledge from a casual observer and occasional passenger. I traveled cross-country by Amtrak a few times and loved it, and wanted to learn a bit about its history.)

Amtrak isn't quite the giant evil corporation in the sense that Amazon is. If anything, it's more of a dying relic propped up by sheer nostalgia. Congress keeps it on life support with small, occasional injections of funds. Its infrastructure and equipment aren't just obsolete, but dying, neglected by a nation who's almost entirely switched to automobiles and planes. Amtrak is a lifeline into the heartland, where many small towns have no other transit options.

But Amtrak is largely unprofitable outside of the Northeast Corridor, which runs up and down the East Coast and has fancy commuter trains for the rich businesspeople and politicians. The rest of its network runs on decades-old equipment and trains and barely keeps up with operating expenditures. It shares rail lines with freight trains, but is subordinate to them, so passengers have to wait any time a freight train wants the track.

It's stuck in a catch-22.

As a business, it can't turn a profit because, at current ticket prices, it is often slower and more expensive than flights -- not even considering the money lost due to time off of work. For shorter hauls, intercity buses are often quicker, cheaper, and have more time slots. It's not really a practical way to travel for most people in our economy except as a form of recreation, almost like a land cruise, or for small towns with no other options, or certain religious sects that don't drive (Mennonites). So it's not just a very profitable business thing to begin with.

So why don't we just nationalize it and run it as a national utility? We can't; it was specifically founded in the 70s to NOT be a government-run service. Nonetheless, in the decades since, it stays alive only because of government injections... yet it can't be directly run by the government.

So it's a private business that can't survive on its own, doesn't have enough capital to do anything differently, and can't go out of business because Congress keeps propping it up. It's literally just stuck on life support. The wiki on it is pretty interesting reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak#Public_funding

Covid hit them pretty hard too and caused a lot of shutdowns. They have to negotiate with something like 20 different unions to keep operating, when they've already been unprofitable for decades. Biden gave them more money, but I think that just keeps the death spiral going for a bit longer rather than actually fixing anything.

Personally, I think the age of passenger rail is sadly behind us. A part of me wishes they could resurrect under a different model, maybe more like a fancy land-based cruise ship, with fun amenities on board, more sleeper cabins, things for young people (clubs, pubs, games, maybe even traveling concerts), whatever -- e.g. make the train its own destination. But that requires both the will to transform their service and the capital to do so, and they have neither. And so, for the foreseeable future, Congress keeps paying, and the train keeps a rollin'...

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