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Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by projektfu »

fortran77 wrote: post #173

People should sue the car dealer and the mall. Even if they don’t have a leg to stand on, a few nuisance lawsuits would cause the mall not to want this business

What would you sue for? The time spent listening to the pitch? Your dashed hopes of owning a new car? What are the damages?

This is why there's usually either a criminal fine for false advertising or a class action lawsuit. It's probably better to find someone at the California AG who's interested in shutting down false advertising.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

jacquesm wrote: post #213
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #138

Welcome to the ecosystem of lead-generation, and the specialized marketing campaigns which drive business sales. One of my earliest technical jobs was writing the middle-ware systems that handled lead data, and tracked the sales conversion rates of the companies we served. As an aside, it is the worst job I ever had in any of my careers… In general, you are never dealing with a single company: 1. An advertiser operat…

> once a lead is in the ecosystem it can be resold to dozens of firms all over the world Hence the GDPR's 'legal basis for processing' requirement. If you did not obtain consent for that specific use then you don't have a legal basis for processing.

Relevant if and only if all entities involved fall within a given legal jurisdiction, and many dubious firms "partners" do not for this very reason. One often can't completely solve a fiscally driven technical problem with legislation.

Accordingly, what percentage of people actually read those 5 page end-user-agreements before enabling cloud backup on their phone (about 1/3000 on average). ;-)

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by projektfu »

IncRnd wrote: post #111
everyone wrote: post #30

I'm suprised they go to so much effort to get peoples info in 2022. Surely u can scrape as much of that as you want from social media or just buy it en-mass? Then u can spam people to your hearts content.

They are looking for qualified leads, 28 years or older, hopefully in a couple, mobile number, where you like to go on vacation, and what type of credit card(s) you own. Scraping social media will absolutely not generate leads that a salesperson can contact.

Especially people who might think they can get vacations cheaper through one weird trick.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by fortran77 »

projektfu wrote: post #221
fortran77 wrote: post #173

People should sue the car dealer and the mall. Even if they don’t have a leg to stand on, a few nuisance lawsuits would cause the mall not to want this business

What would you sue for? The time spent listening to the pitch? Your dashed hopes of owning a new car? What are the damages? This is why there's usually either a criminal fine for false advertising or a class action lawsuit. It's probably better to find someone at the California AG who's interested in shutting down false advertising.

You would sue because there's a sign that says "win this car" and nobody will win that car. As I said, it will get thrown out, but if a few people would do that, it wouldn't be worth the mall's time to deal with them.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by jacquesm »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #222
jacquesm wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> once a lead is in the ecosystem it can be resold to dozens of firms all over the world Hence the GDPR's 'legal basis for processing' requirement. If you did not obtain consent for that specific use then you don't have a legal basis for processing.

Relevant if and only if all entities involved fall within a given legal jurisdiction, and many dubious firms "partners" do not for this very reason. One often can't completely solve a fiscally driven technical problem with legislation. Accordingly, what percentage of people actually read those 5 page end-user-agreements before enabling cloud backup on their phone (about 1/3000 on average). ;-)

> Relevant if and only if all entities involved fall within a given legal jurisdiction

This is not correct. For instance:

https://blog.netwrix.com/2020/03/27/gdpr-in-the-us/

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by oneoff786 »

shon wrote: post #98

I actually gave away a Porsche 911. This was not a mall giveaway but a marketing experiment for my new startup: Flat 6 Club. Yes, we wanted something in return, in this case, we wanted you to buy a t-shirt or start a subscription (merch+content+events), which gives us essentially all the same info, which would enter you in a sweepstakes to win the car. We also wanted to promote the club, which we did. We researched i…

What were the odds of winning? How did your lottery compare to the power ball expected value?

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by scoot »

shon wrote: post #98

I actually gave away a Porsche 911. This was not a mall giveaway but a marketing experiment for my new startup: Flat 6 Club. Yes, we wanted something in return, in this case, we wanted you to buy a t-shirt or start a subscription (merch+content+events), which gives us essentially all the same info, which would enter you in a sweepstakes to win the car. We also wanted to promote the club, which we did. We researched i…

> But there are several operations that actually do give cars away such a Omaze, Diesel Brothers and many more.

From the article: "There are other types of car giveaways run by more legitimate parties (charity raffles, event promotions) that do deliver the goods — but if you win, you’re liable to pay a hefty gift tax."

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by Mvandenbergh »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #152
xwdv wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just get a STEM degree and it’s hard to do poorly afterwards.

I would disagree. There are several sections of STEM where there really isnt much for you. What are you supposed to achieve with a bachelors in physics?

Assuming from your comment history that this is a genuine question and not a troll.

Of the 100 or so people in my MSCi physics degree programme there were:

About 40 who went on to do PhDs ... of which about 30 are now academics, the rest went pretty evenly into the categories below, just a few years later

20 went on to some kind of elite professional services: investment banking, consulting, law or into large corporate management graduate programmes

10 are teachers, tutors, or have some other allied role

10 are civil servants or work for think tanks or other NGOs

20 have jobs in tech in various capacities

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

jacquesm wrote: post #225
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relevant if and only if all entities involved fall within a given legal jurisdiction, and many dubious firms "partners" do not for this very reason. One often can't completely solve a fiscally driven technical problem with legislation. Accordingly, what percentage of people actually read those 5 page end-user-agreements before enabling cloud backup on their phone (about 1/3000 on average). ;-)

> Relevant if and only if all entities involved fall within a given legal jurisdiction This is not correct. For instance: https://blog.netwrix.com/2020/03/27/gdpr-in-the-us/

I am quite sure it is not valid in Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Brazil, China and Russia?

Again, one is incorrectly assuming scammers care about your local laws in the first place, and present informal fallacy as an argument with little contextual relevance.

Given our uniquely crafted developer contact data was often injected into the data sets as a logic test, it was common practice to climb back up the delivery pipeline to identify the cheats and cons. ;-)

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