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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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The fact that this can be solved using LiDAR, just seems irresponsible to not

Oh man, they're not using lidar? I had no idea, that's crazy they're just putting cars on the road just cameras and AI. Jeez.

Elon thinks that because humans can do all this with two eyes his cars should be able to do it with just cameras. Literal truth.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#62

The comments are a pile-on of criticism and how can this be legal. The question is what percentage of self driving hours lead to a situation like this, is it high enough to determine it's unsafe compared to non autopilot or statistically an outlier?

If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?

I'm asking the question of how common it is. If I understand you correctly, self-driving should be banned if there's 1 error?

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One thing about this video that caught my attention: around 14:40, Tesla is in the "forward" lane, but it tries to make a left turn. While I agree that this is against the rules, my experience with driving around a big city is: half of the human drivers would try to do the same, if they accidentally ended up in the wrong lane. So, if Tesla is using data captured while human is driving, can it pick up bad habits as we…

I think more alarming was at 12:20 when it tried to go through an intersection on a solid red.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No snark intended, but doesn't having to constantly pay attention and be ready to take over control negate a lot of the benefit of the self-driving features? It seems like you'd have to apply just as much mental energy to the task as if you were actually driving, so the only real benefit is that you don't have to physically make the motions. In fact in some ways it seems mentally worse, since when you're driving you…

Because your brain is freed up from taking in all of the data points for constantly steering and speeding up and slowing down, it's incredibly less exhausting. Instead, you can focus on observing a lot more of the road and capturing things that you previously would have been unable to focus on. It's not often it deviates from expected behavior and catches you off guard with some radically unpredictable maneuver. When…

Throttle control and steering _are_ decision making. If you can't do these as well as every other task you need to do, you don't belong behind a wheel, period.

And before i hear a "That's exclusionary", yes, excluding people unable to be safe while driving 2 tons of steel launched at high speeds is a good thing

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #33

One thing about this video that caught my attention: around 14:40, Tesla is in the "forward" lane, but it tries to make a left turn. While I agree that this is against the rules, my experience with driving around a big city is: half of the human drivers would try to do the same, if they accidentally ended up in the wrong lane. So, if Tesla is using data captured while human is driving, can it pick up bad habits as we…

Garbage in, garbage out.

The penultimate product of Machine Learning... Is the oddest human savant to ever exist.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?

I'm asking the question of how common it is. If I understand you correctly, self-driving should be banned if there's 1 error?

We actually do that with many industries where such errors result in loss of human life. Entire plane fleets being grounded and things like that.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

That’s a misleading headline. Tesla let go of their labeling team because they weren’t needed anymore.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

#69

The comments are a pile-on of criticism and how can this be legal. The question is what percentage of self driving hours lead to a situation like this, is it high enough to determine it's unsafe compared to non autopilot or statistically an outlier?

If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No snark intended, but doesn't having to constantly pay attention and be ready to take over control negate a lot of the benefit of the self-driving features? It seems like you'd have to apply just as much mental energy to the task as if you were actually driving, so the only real benefit is that you don't have to physically make the motions. In fact in some ways it seems mentally worse, since when you're driving you…

Because your brain is freed up from taking in all of the data points for constantly steering and speeding up and slowing down, it's incredibly less exhausting. Instead, you can focus on observing a lot more of the road and capturing things that you previously would have been unable to focus on. It's not often it deviates from expected behavior and catches you off guard with some radically unpredictable maneuver. When…

It could definitely be one of those experience it to understand it things, since I've never driven very far in a car with more advanced self-driving (trying it in a colleague's Tesla on a short drive to lunch is about the extent of my experience).

I'm a private pilot though and what you're describing sounds a lot like the autopilots on small planes. It handles keeping course and altitude for you, so you can focus on the rest of the flight and it is indeed way less taxing than hand flying a longer distance. And like Tesla, a plane autopilot will occasionally do something weird so you can't entirely ignore it. I would think the difference though is that in a plane, nothing the autopilot does will be fatal or dangerous very quickly, so you have plenty of time to notice and correct it as long as you aren't sleeping or something. When you're driving a car though, a second of steering in the wrong direction can quickly turn into an accident, so you as the driver have to be constantly ready to immediately take over. Even in the chance is low, as long as it's often enough to be a factor, you still need that instant readiness.

I wonder if the value is more on longer drives, as you said, vs city driving. The fatigue factor driving between cities is a bigger issue, and the driving tasks are simpler with less opportunity for the car to do something crazy than in busy city driving.

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