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Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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Kind of off-topic, but I've been enjoying Regolith[0] on Ubuntu lately. It uses i3 as a window manager, but integrates a bit more neatly with things like the Gnome Settings application so you can use the tiling window manager but still don't have to configure everything the hard way. [0] https://regolith-desktop.com/

its the best!

Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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"This new release doesn't come from Canonical: it's from Linux wunderkind Rudra Saraswat", a 12 years old Linux enthusiast from Bengaluru, India. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rs2009 Incredible stuff, love to see it.

Damn, what kid! To be fair - having time and access to computer between the ages of 9-15 is something that I have come to appreciate in my life as well. Even if I didn't understand everything at the time, playing with open-source software, Linux, jailbreaking iDevices etc has definitely formed who I am today.

Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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It feels funny. When Ubuntu moved to the Gnome shell with their customizations, it felt strange for a couple hours, then everything made sense. I completely forgot I am not using Unity on Ubuntu - the icons are where they used to be and that's about what really feels different now from stock Gnome.

Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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> If I recall correctly, both GNOME and Unity shared rejection from a number of users (I don't know if that was large group or just very noisy) The GNOME redesign. The old 2D GNOME was OK. It was functional, stable and pretty (for someone who thinks that Windows 3.11 style is a good fit for a work environment). Then the old software was abandoned and the update was pushed onto users. KDE also had a transition disaste…

Has there ever been a good time for Linux on the desktop? I'm using Linux (Kubuntu) daily, and it works most of the time, but I still see some issues from time to time (multi-monitor strangeness, windows suddenly appearing without frames because kwin crashed, desktop wallpapers not being shown or being shown incorrectly etc.).

I would have disagreed with you except atleast once a day (usually more), my monitors go blank and once the display is back after few seconds, all the windows get shoved to the smaller monitor on the right, all resized to the monitor size. I move the windows again one by one to the main monitor, resize them to how they were and curse NVIDIA while praying that this doesn't happen again too soon. Even changed from Pop! desktop to KDE which didn't help (that's why my unsubstantiated choice is to curse NVIDIA instead of the DE). Cherry on top if I'm connected to the work machine over Citrix so I have some more windows to resize and reposition over there too.

Close to two decades of using Linux desktop on a daily basis and I still have to deal with these issues. As someone who doesn't have any intention to leave Linux due to these issues, I don't think there EVER will be a 100% rock-solid time for Linux desktop. Wayland will stabilize and then people will point out issues with it, come-up with another component and we will wait for that to stabilize - and on and on, forever.

Ironically, such issues rarely happened, if ever, when I was using Ubuntu Dapper Drake.

Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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Has there ever been a good time for Linux on the desktop? I'm using Linux (Kubuntu) daily, and it works most of the time, but I still see some issues from time to time (multi-monitor strangeness, windows suddenly appearing without frames because kwin crashed, desktop wallpapers not being shown or being shown incorrectly etc.).

Isn't that just how all desktop OSes are? It works most of the time, and then sometimes you run into things that are bafflingly broken. For me, it's the Windows desktop at work. I'm accustomed to Windows spawning windows fully or partially out of bounds, though at least that's something that you can fix with the "Move" option from the Ctrl+Space menu. But for a few weeks now, there seems to be a bug where the affecte…

Having made a sibling comment lamenting issues with my Linux desktop, I have to sort of agree with you. Sort of because, I have seen issues like what you mentioned on Windows in the past, but not that often. I use Linux desktop not only on principle but also because of open source and the flexibility is unparalleled, but I do feel like things break more often than they do on Windows (maybe due to the amount of flexibility and therefore the use cases/scenarios it has to deal with).

Having said that, Pop!_OS was also problem free for me for quite a while until the desktop blanking issue started happening - right at the time of NVIDIA driver upgrade. Linus was right shitting on them - my next laptop would not be using NVIDIA for sure.

Re: Ubuntu Unity desktop back from the dead after several years' hiatus

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If I recall correctly, both GNOME and Unity shared rejection from a number of users (I don't know if that was large group or just very noisy), and an approach to community management that was basically if you don't like, go away . In the early days, Unity was more usable than GNOME (could be my hardware, perhaps; apparently my nvidia drivers were buggy and I was told to change GPU), but back then Mark Shuttleworth wa…

> If I recall correctly, both GNOME and Unity shared rejection from a number of users (I don't know if that was large group or just very noisy) The GNOME redesign. The old 2D GNOME was OK. It was functional, stable and pretty (for someone who thinks that Windows 3.11 style is a good fit for a work environment). Then the old software was abandoned and the update was pushed onto users. KDE also had a transition disaste…

> KDE also had a transition disaster. That time was not a good time for Linux on the Desktop.

KDE's transition disaster came a bit earlier, with the release of KDE 4.0 in 2008. By the time GNOME 3 came out in 2011, KDE 4.x had seen 6 or 7 feature releases, and had (imo) largely recovered from all the rewrites in terms of feature parity. I was pretty happy on KDE in 2011.

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Should be noted that compared to Unity, GNOME 3 is an even more extreme variant of the phone/netbook UI.

I'm wondering why more people are not using KDE. It is a honest desktop environment which does not try to pretend phone/netbook or parrot Mac OS X. Many of KDE apps are the best in a given category. Konsole certainly is.

I used Gnome for a very long time, switched to KDE and switched back. Recently I decided to retry KDE after hearing good things about Plasma, and I can say that it wasn't hyperbole. The desktop feels light and snappy, the settings have been cleaned up and organized while retaining the flexibility/configurability. It may not be as "clean" as Gnome out of the box, but it can be customized a whole lot more to how you want your desktop to be.

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Gnome3 and Unity drove me to use MATE, and though I give KDE, Gnome, and XFCE a shot every six months or so I still use MATE. AFAICT, for someone who prefers verbosity, purposeful display usage and textual clarity over all else, it doesn't get much better on the Linux desktop than MATE.

How is MATE these days? I switched to Xfce when the Gnome 3 debacle hit, and after spending about 10 minutes arranging things to look like Gnome 2, have never looked back.

I've been using MATE for several years now. It's very solid and they've improved and modernised it nicely since gnome 2 times.

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That's exciting. I must be one of the few who actually liked Unity a lot, probably better than Gnome. From what I understand, a lot of the underlayment was 'hacky' and abandoned. While I don't like most NIH that Canonical does(snaps, upstart, mir), I really wish they'd have kept Unity.

You are not alone, Unity was my desktop until it was dropped by Canonical. I ended up moving to Windows after that as I did not like the replacement. The main thing I remember was that it was quite fast and worked well with Vmware which is what I used to host client's VMs. Maybe I will give it another go now.

It was always there, just apt install unity? It even asks you which greeter to use and, unlike when Canonical was trying to monetize it, you don't have to remove the adware "lenses" such as Amazon.
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