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Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by iasay »

berkes wrote: post #89
iasay wrote: post #83

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Having tried to improve things on multiple projects and being ignored or got hostile responses I gave up on open source contribution. I bought a Mac and use Lightroom and I’m happy to give them both my money.

There are loads of friendly and welcoming OpenSource communities. I'm sorry you did not stumble into them, but instead in the few hostile ones. It's a pity that made you give up. A general tip, I give to people wishing to contribute to OSS is to first watch from the sideline. Read issues, threads, subscribe to an ML etc. Then to ask . Don't just throw in PR or feature request, but ask: is this welcome? How do you wor…

I certainly wasn't arrogant with the last one.

Hey dudes, there's a pointer dereferencing crash here which occurs when I do X, Y then Z. Added one line change to fix it. SILENCE.

There are no test cases for most projects either.

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by franga2000 »

auxym wrote: post #98
franga2000 wrote: post #96

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It doesn't have to be "faithful" and I agree it's not most people's "goal", but here's why I still want it and appreciate that Lightroom does it very well: - I've been shooting mirrorless, and consequently using EVFs, since the NEX 6 came out. When I take a photo, I have already seen it. I have a vague idea of what tweaks I want to make, so having to start from scratch just interrupts that. Of course, sometimes those…

FWIW I agree with you, but DT devs don't, which is their right to put in their free time to develop their software according to their own preferences.

Of course! I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. But these kinds of discussions are still important because if enough of us got together we could start a community initiative to develop this and either get it merged or maintain a live fork with these features.

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by tpolzer »

jacooper wrote: post #13

Let's see if this changed anything. But my previous experience with editing Sony RAWs on Rawtherappe and Darktable wasn't good. The color science is missed up in Darktable and in Raw therappe, I just couldn't get something decent out. I would be editing for an hour and end up with a weird looking image, while in lightroom I would be done in 10 minutes. People might say that I'm just used to lightroom but I'm not, I w…

I've had a similar experience, especially with skin tones. The out of camera jpegs can be a little aggressive in making skin and grass colors "pop", but they still beat Darktable (even with significant tinkering).

Re: Darktable 4.0

#104

Post by mikae1 »

deanc wrote: post #73
mikae1 wrote: post #62

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> This has nothing to do with the "camera maker's JPEG engine." The RAW file actually contains the camera's settings at the time of shooting, in other software they can re-use those settings to generate something very similar to the embedded JPEG because they're both set up the same. You are right, but I'm very sorry to say that attempting to faithfully recreate the look of the manufacturers JPEGs will likely never b…

Simply not true. That’s exactly what I want and DT already has a reset button by which I can undo those base edits anyway. It’s again, another thing that puts people off and is confusing as hell at first.

> Simply not true.

Sorry, I don't understand. What is “simply not true”?

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by humanlion87 »

hef19898 wrote: post #82
humanlion87 wrote: post #46

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Does your dad have any suggestion on resources/books that others can use to learn the same crash course he gave you? :)

Hevcertainly does, in fact besides years of experience he has quite a number of books at home. All in German so... If that's ok I can ask!

Thank you for the offer! Unfortunately I don't know German, so don't want to trouble you.

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by pkd »

Derbasti wrote: post #71
morsch wrote: post #69

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Oh and he forked the project. Does he still maintain Filmic, or has someone else taken over?

He is still contributing and collaborating on the technical stuff. His fork is exclusively about the UI, and claims to be 100% compatible with image editing. That video is a text book case of burnout, it looks like.

I think he makes some good points about the UI changes - albeit in an angry way.

Re: Darktable 4.0

#107

Post by bb88 »

auxym wrote: post #92
bb88 wrote: post #61

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> ... is an explicit non-goal for the DT devs. Don't get your hopes up. The older I get the less time I want to be in front of a computer. I would prefer my photography software to do the workflow I want it to do, not what someone else thinks I should do -- regardless of whether it's free or not. Besides, the more I'm behind a camera in nature, the better I usually feel. The more I'm behind a screen, the worse.

That's quite OK. It's just that DT then is not the right software for you, since the dev team has an opposing viewpoint to yours. Rawtherapee I think has a feature that tries to apply curves in order to match the built in jpeg preview. Otherwise you might be better served by commercial software such as Lightroom or Capture One, as they work with camera manufacturers in order to match the in-camera processing.

And that's what I do. I just find it too bad because it's interface is really not bad, and it's fairly capable at what it does.

To me, I don't care really, but in 2022, photography is still an underserved segment in the open source software world. I feel like they can have their opinion, but then allow others to have a UI element to turn it on if they so choose.

There's a lot of high quality gear floating around ebay for fairly cheap compared to when they were new.

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by hef19898 »

humanlion87 wrote: post #105
hef19898 wrote: post #82

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Hevcertainly does, in fact besides years of experience he has quite a number of books at home. All in German so... If that's ok I can ask!

Thank you for the offer! Unfortunately I don't know German, so don't want to trouble you.

Ah, a pity... If you don't know yet, photography life . com has some good resources to get started!

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by Normille »

mikae1 wrote: post #64
morsch wrote: post #38

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It's Linux software. Support for other operating systems is an afterthought. You guys have to deal with Adobe, or use a less advanced alternative.

> It's Linux software. Support for other operating systems is an afterthought. This is the correct answer. I actually switched to Linux from macOS partly to be able to run darktable in a more native setting.

> It's Linux software. Support for other operating systems is an afterthought. >>This is the correct answer...

We're not talking non-MacOS [or non-Windows?] -like behaviour here. But the app not actually functioning. So why offer versions for other OSes, if it's Linux only software?

Re: Darktable 4.0

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Post by account42 »

rglullis wrote: post #90
tomcam wrote: post #88

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Maybe some of these developers are just, you know… busy.

It's the busiest developers who would be interested in receiving PRs. If they go unanswered for six months, it is a clear signal that there is something stopping else them from action.

> It's the busiest developers who would be interested in receiving PRs.

Depends on the PR. Bugfixes sure, but new features mean more work for the maintianer in the future.

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