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Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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7TB of compressed text? I don't think humanity has generated that much written words in it's entire existence. Although it would be an interesting Fermi Problem to estimate (and don't forget just how well text compresses). This has to be a lot of duplicates or bad formats (images). This would be far more useful to people with some curating.

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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

That's already the case minus the last ~70 years or so. The overwhelming majority of our knowledge is in the public domain, in particular cultural artifacts. It's a nice sentiment but like, people can already go to gutenberg.org and download pretty much most important works of literature in existence and most books have like 5k downloads so there's that.

Project Gutenberg is missing a lot of content that is public domain, and the oldest entries are often pretty poor in quality (and some of the oldest entries aren't lucky enough to get redone like Carroll's work has been).

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Insane in the abstract, but not exactly unfathomable. Who would make money off of that, and who else makes money off of it's absense?

Imagine for a split second an idea of value that doesn't start and end with private profit

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No one would make money off of it. That is the point. There are innumerable things which are worthwhile which are not profitable. The idea that we do not do a world library of free digital copies of every book ever written really highlights the problem with the thinking your comment has demonstrated. The idea that individual pursuits must make a profit to be justified leads to us doing terrible things like: not makin…

> libertarian society as long as we have community ownership of the means of production Libertarianism includes the right to own property. Also common ownership of the means of production is an old idea, and has been tried many times. It always results in poverty.

It would be anarchist-communism. Sure, it has been tried, notably in Spain in the 1930s, but it was suppressed by the Marxists and Fascists. I don't think "it always results in poverty" has been reliably established.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #124

Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

That's already the case minus the last ~70 years or so. The overwhelming majority of our knowledge is in the public domain, in particular cultural artifacts. It's a nice sentiment but like, people can already go to gutenberg.org and download pretty much most important works of literature in existence and most books have like 5k downloads so there's that.

Hasn't been more knowledge published in the last 70 years than during all the times before? More than 2 million new books get published every year.

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> libertarian society as long as we have community ownership of the means of production Libertarianism includes the right to own property. Also common ownership of the means of production is an old idea, and has been tried many times. It always results in poverty.

Ah hello Walter. I recognize your username as you and I have disagreed on this before. I’m not saying people shouldn’t have the right to own property. But that a good way of organizing society is collective ownership of the means of production. If you are part owner in something with shares and a contract, that obviously still relies on property rights. That is how the stock market works after all. EDIT: I am basical…

Changing norms is a nice idea, but you'll have to lead by example I believe.

That said, I think privately- and collectively-owned enterprises can coexist (and compete!) just fine, and in a truly free market we'd see a healthy amount of both.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Ah hello Walter. I recognize your username as you and I have disagreed on this before. I’m not saying people shouldn’t have the right to own property. But that a good way of organizing society is collective ownership of the means of production. If you are part owner in something with shares and a contract, that obviously still relies on property rights. That is how the stock market works after all. EDIT: I am basical…

The US is a free country. You can form a voluntary collective any time you like.

I doubt that you are free to share copyrighted information, even if you declare yourselves a voluntary collective.

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That would paint a huge red target mark on filecoin's back, given that they raised over a quarter-billion. They would take it down faster than you can have an 8TB HDD shipped to you.

They can't take it down.

They can and will use legal means to go after anyone trying to use the network this way in order to make the content less discoverable and discourage others from following suit.

Being coined as the Napster on Blockchain is the worst possible PR one can think of in their situation.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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More like an ad company driven by dark patterns that needs to pretend being good and nice and innovative as otherwise it will lose goodwill just like Facebook did.

I think the Google founders were inherently nicer people than the Facebook founder, but their companies ended up converging on advertising because that's really the only way their products could be profitable.

Is that really the only way to be profitable though?

I believe going public inevitably leads to needing to follow growth, which then eventually corrupts virtuous missions.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #124

Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

what's even more mind boggling is that library is more or less publicly accessible _now_ via a home internet connection or a connection from your... friendly neighborhood library! but you're right, having unmitigated access to that is even more incredible.
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