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Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Again, it's just insane to me that we don't even much have a meaningful discussion of: "Hey, wait, literally everyone could have the entire library of Alexandria in their house for a couple hundred bucks per person. Like, all the knowledge ever. Maybe that should be considered the good default of things. At least one in every town that everyone could use, for free, forever, without restriction to ANY of the knowledge…

"The African economy will start booming once they get UNLIMITED access to those 1800s manuals on measuring the Ether and where the best seal clubbing sites are in Alaska." Nobody ever thinks this through. Books are basically worthless at this point

This is like saying tribal knowledge is useless, or internet access is useless. Books are useless only if they’re inaccessible.

The point you’re trying to make (I think) is that information isn’t particularly useful on its own. True. It has to be relevant. With good, useful information you still need community support (whether that’s your household or your country), funding, time, etc. But that’s going to be the case whether you’re using a book or learning from a forum, or a video. Internet videos are worthless if you have no internet. Tribal knowledge is useless if no one can get the information from the previous generation. The medium is not the problem, and suggesting that relevancy is a fault of the medium is a misrepresentation.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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I see things like this, and I wonder why the following software doesn't exist: I want a piece of software to which I can add a collection of files, say multiple TB. The software will then behave a bit like a BitTorrent tracker, and know which peer has which files. A peer joining this swarm will be able to say "I want to donate X GB of space", and the tracker would tell it "OK, then download and seed these files, whic…

It's proprietary, but it sounds like you're describing the "Google File System". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System

For your idea, once all the local storage everywhere is filled up with evenly distributed redundant copies, and then a new file is added, would peers arbitrarly choose other files to delete in order to make room for the new file?

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane in the abstract, but not exactly unfathomable. Who would make money off of that, and who else makes money off of it's absense?

No one would make money off of it. That is the point. There are innumerable things which are worthwhile which are not profitable. The idea that we do not do a world library of free digital copies of every book ever written really highlights the problem with the thinking your comment has demonstrated. The idea that individual pursuits must make a profit to be justified leads to us doing terrible things like: not makin…

You're responding to a comment which aims to make your same point.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't they just tag these books as "not reviewed yet"? Anyone looking for these books can then just decide to include them.

Here are 2x 16tb drives for ~$900 AUD ($600 USD), RAID them. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/710309 Put it in a case with all parts, $800USD all up?

The guy asked a question then edited his comment

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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It's a shame that this would have been a textbook case for using IPFS and yet that wasn't the default. Books are naturally immutable, and could be structured into sub-categories whilst enjoying the benefits of deduplication.

All of library genesis is already available on IPFS (see https://freeread.org/ and https://libgen.fun/dweb.html). Hopefully someone will import this collection into libgen and then these books can be on IPFS too.

Torrents are simpler and more efficient for distribution, but IPFS is better for accessing individual files.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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It's really funny to think about how the advances of technology keeps changing how we perceive books. 7TB is even a commodity disk these days. And it's a lot less than the torrent of scientific papers that floated around some time ago (that was ~18TB IIRC).

I foresee storage density reaching the point that for most ordinary people "online" becomes rather unimportant. What would be the effects of technology when computers behave as in early science fiction, as stand-alone oracles? [1] [1] https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/2048-informatio...

If I could store all the worlds present information on the head of a pin I should still want to access the internet to find out how you feel about it or share my opinion on it with you. Virtually everything we do online isn't reading existing data its taking action on it by virtue of communication.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane in the abstract, but not exactly unfathomable. Who would make money off of that, and who else makes money off of it's absense?

Society as a whole. Exactly the kind of initiatives governments are supposed to be taking. Instead our governments are totally captured by the profit-seeking organizations and are hellbent on using their monopoly of violence to imprison activists working on these initiatives

Interesting difference here between how YC reacts to Codex vs this library. Both are reusing copyrighted materials to help society.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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It's a shame that this would have been a textbook case for using IPFS and yet that wasn't the default. Books are naturally immutable, and could be structured into sub-categories whilst enjoying the benefits of deduplication.

That would paint a huge red target mark on filecoin's back, given that they raised over a quarter-billion. They would take it down faster than you can have an 8TB HDD shipped to you.

IPFS is a protocol like bittorrent. The only way to make content inaccessible is to go after the people/computers that are sharing that content.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane in the abstract, but not exactly unfathomable. Who would make money off of that, and who else makes money off of it's absense?

No one would make money off of it. That is the point. There are innumerable things which are worthwhile which are not profitable. The idea that we do not do a world library of free digital copies of every book ever written really highlights the problem with the thinking your comment has demonstrated. The idea that individual pursuits must make a profit to be justified leads to us doing terrible things like: not makin…

> libertarian society as long as we have community ownership of the means of production

Libertarianism includes the right to own property.

Also common ownership of the means of production is an old idea, and has been tried many times. It always results in poverty.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one would make money off of it. That is the point. There are innumerable things which are worthwhile which are not profitable. The idea that we do not do a world library of free digital copies of every book ever written really highlights the problem with the thinking your comment has demonstrated. The idea that individual pursuits must make a profit to be justified leads to us doing terrible things like: not makin…

You're responding to a comment which aims to make your same point.

in the world that has become a parody of itself it is not unfathomable that the GP post was dead serious.
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