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Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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I think they're talking about the fact that you're required to pay condo fees to maintain your ownership of the condo, which does kind of make it a hybrid rental in a way. Obviously there's pretty good reasons for condo fees on some level (ignoring any mismanagement that may or may not be uncommon -- though sometimes the mismanagement is that they're too low ), but it's something you have to factor in. You can never…

By that token, you're not free and clear if there are homeowner association fees or property taxes. Technically correct is the best kind of correct.

I don't think there's a way of owning a domicile in any capitalist country without paying a membership fee (property tax) to the government. If you rent, you're doing that indirectly.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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We all did buddy.. we all did.

Kinda funny how that comment is flag-killed, but an equally unverifiable anecdote is the top comment on the previous discussion, and it claims the same thing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17400832

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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> There are other types of car giveaways run by more legitimate parties (charity raffles, event promotions) that do deliver the goods — but if you win, you’re liable to pay a hefty gift tax. I don't think it's a gift tax, but ordinary income tax. A coworker won a living room sofa set on a game show, and the staff were waiting with a 1099 for her as soon as she stepped off the stage. The IRS says you need to pay tax b…

> I don't think it's a gift tax, but ordinary income tax.

Correct. Prize winnings are taxed at your ordinary income tax rate. The gift tax applies to gifts, not prize winnings, and even then, the giver pays it, if applicable.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

#94

> Then, they handed over her “prize:” a $25 restaurant voucher that required a $100 minimum spend to redeem. I really don't understand what people are complaining about, seems like a good deal to me...

It's probably for a overpriced restaurant that one wouldn't go to normally.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

#95
post #32

It's unbelievable that showing a car when it's not being awarded doesn't fall under any sort of false advertising law.

Yeah, like those ads with "I am a doctor and I recommend ...", where the speaker is just an actor.

Or worse, a chiropractor.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all did buddy.. we all did.

Kinda funny how that comment is flag-killed, but an equally unverifiable anecdote is the top comment on the previous discussion, and it claims the same thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17400832

The hive mind is a fickle beast. I think that it needs to contribute to the narative for it not be flagged.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

#97
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> Patrick collects a rolodex of her (fake) data — full name, age, marital status — then tells her she has to be at least 28 to enter the drawing. “Tell your parent to call me,” he says, and hangs up. > Her “dad” (our writer, Conor) gives it one last try. Patrick tells Conor that in order to win the car, he has to go to a local Great Destinations office and attend a 90-minute timeshare presentation. This is the only p…

It has to do with the income of their target demographics. At 28 years of age the median income is $40,000 in the US.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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I actually gave away a Porsche 911. This was not a mall giveaway but a marketing experiment for my new startup: Flat 6 Club.

Yes, we wanted something in return, in this case, we wanted you to buy a t-shirt or start a subscription (merch+content+events), which gives us essentially all the same info, which would enter you in a sweepstakes to win the car. We also wanted to promote the club, which we did.

We researched it and contracted a sweepstakes company who helped us run the sweepstakes legally.

In the end, we gave away the car to a very nice man and his wife, who we flew in from Minnesota to San Diego for the giveaway event.

Some people did think it was a scam.

But there are several operations that actually do give cars away such a Omaze, Diesel Brothers and many more.

There’s a model there based on the new post-search world we live in that has to do with high engagement increasing Return On Ad Spend and other AdTech voodoo.

No doubt there are lots of scams but there are also real winners out there.

We’ve only given away 1 car. We learned a ton.

I decided to kill the monthly subscription after we gave away the car because we grossly underestimated the amount of up-front ad spend required to achieve a good ROAS and I knew we wouldn’t be giving away another car for a long time.

The biggest surprise to me was hearing from people that were sad that we killed the paid membership/giveaway program.

This was $9.11/mo for membership and occasional swag drops and automatic entry into our next giveaway —whenever that might be. I communicated personally with some of these folks.

The gist of what I learned was that for $9.11/mo, people enjoyed the hope that they may one day win a 911. We literally had people beg us to bring it back. This is probably the same happiness that a lottery ticket brings to many people. It’s not really that they expect to win. As long as someone wins, they’re buying some hope, some excitement… a dream.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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post #19

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Because the fundamental economics of time shares are a scam. They are pitched as "ownership" but what they really are are perpetual rental contracts with no way out. (The rent is called "maintenance fees" but it doesn't matter what label you attach to it. It's a sum of money that you are obligated to pay year after year after year. If it quacks like rent...) And you even have to pay a hefty sum up front for the privi…

Most of what you've described can also be applied to condominiums. The only difference is that you can occupy them year round, but I don't think that's a relevant difference. Are the "fundamental economics" of those also "a scam"?

The scam part is not that you have to pay "rent", its that you're being mislead into thinking its something different.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

#100

It's unbelievable that showing a car when it's not being awarded doesn't fall under any sort of false advertising law.

Don't worry, they've mostly moved on to selling crypto and NFTs for the most part... I haven't seen a car parked in my local mall for ages, there's a bitcoin ATM parked in that space now. There's a certain breed of huckster that even if they designated a prize winner, it would be one of their family members. The most important part of managing scams is to expose them, and cite the names involved so that they need to…

> The most important part of managing scams is to expose them, and cite the names involved so that they need to pick a different line of work.

Or we make these scams illegal. Sending scammers to jail is much more effective than finger wagging.

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