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Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by alexb_ »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #7
lostgame wrote: post #3

“I understand my permission herein overrides my listing on any state of(sic) federal do not call list and any prior listing on the do not call lists of the companies listed above.” That’s disturbing. There is no way that’s possibly legally binding? Surely there can’t be a loophole this ridiculous in the Do Not Call law?

If it's legal, it seems like every business would do this. Your bank, the local McDonalds when you install their app, Uber & Lyft, every e-commerce site would bury in the terms & conditions, etc.

You really think that they aren't?

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by xyst »

everyone wrote: post #30

I'm suprised they go to so much effort to get peoples info in 2022. Surely u can scrape as much of that as you want from social media or just buy it en-mass? Then u can spam people to your hearts content.

I think the source of the information might be useful. If they truly think they are going to win a car, then the chances of a successful scam are higher. The more gullible. The more vulnerable. Thus an easier target.

If you ever watch scam baiting videos, those Indian scammers share and sell the numbers the collect. If they can fall for the "Microsoft tech support" scam once, then they are likely to fall for the "Amazon refund" scam as well.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by labster »

lostgame wrote: post #3

“I understand my permission herein overrides my listing on any state of(sic) federal do not call list and any prior listing on the do not call lists of the companies listed above.” That’s disturbing. There is no way that’s possibly legally binding? Surely there can’t be a loophole this ridiculous in the Do Not Call law?

Waiving rights is a normal part of American life.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by grzm »

moomoo11 wrote: post #35
gruez wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of what you've described can also be applied to condominiums. The only difference is that you can occupy them year round, but I don't think that's a relevant difference. Are the "fundamental economics" of those also "a scam"?

I have no idea what a timeshare is (sorry) but aren’t condos something you fully own? Like some of my friends live in condos, some lived in a condo for a few years and then sold them before moving into a house or some other city. Where I live the condos are usually similar in appearance to apartments (bed bath living room kitchen all on same floor) and there are townhomes which are a bit fancier and you might get an…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeshare

> A timeshare (sometimes called vacation ownership) is a property with a divided form of ownership or use rights. These properties are typically resort condominium units, in which multiple parties hold rights to use the property, and each owner of the same accommodation is allotted their period of time. Units may be sold as a partial ownership, lease, or "right to use", in which case the latter holds no claim to ownership of the property. The ownership of timeshare programs is varied, and has been changing over the decades.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by gnicholas »

_ea1k wrote: post #17
lostgame wrote: post #3

“I understand my permission herein overrides my listing on any state of(sic) federal do not call list and any prior listing on the do not call lists of the companies listed above.” That’s disturbing. There is no way that’s possibly legally binding? Surely there can’t be a loophole this ridiculous in the Do Not Call law?

I’m pretty sure filling out a form with your phone number and a granted permission with that wording does override dnc lists, but you can reverse it again when they call.

You can reverse it for whatever subsidiary called you, but I doubt your opt-out will be shared with all of their affiliates.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by lisper »

gruez wrote: post #33
lisper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the fundamental economics of time shares are a scam. They are pitched as "ownership" but what they really are are perpetual rental contracts with no way out. (The rent is called "maintenance fees" but it doesn't matter what label you attach to it. It's a sum of money that you are obligated to pay year after year after year. If it quacks like rent...) And you even have to pay a hefty sum up front for the privi…

Most of what you've described can also be applied to condominiums. The only difference is that you can occupy them year round, but I don't think that's a relevant difference. Are the "fundamental economics" of those also "a scam"?

> The only difference is that you can occupy them year round, but I don't think that's a relevant difference.

Most people think it's a pretty relevant difference. For one thing, if you occupy a place year-round, you can keep your belongings in it. That's a pretty significant feature for most people, which is the reason most people choose to live in a permanent domicile rather than moving every week. But different strokes for different folks I guess.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by andrewstuart »

A friend of the family recently won a million dollar house in the hospital raffle. It was a house on the Gold Coast in Queensland, which he immediately sold. I think he might also have won $20,000 of gold bullion in another hospital raffle.

And off topic but my brother won a years supply of Kentucky Friend Chicken in the footy tipping..... and he is a vegetarian. Imagine that - you win the sacrifice of 365 chickens for your skill in picking footy teams. KFC gave him 50 x $50 vouchers.

And I once spent two full days entering every possible online competition I could find. You can guess how much I won.

Here is Australia in the 1980's it was common to find free competition tickets that you could enter in fish and chip shops. For a joke, a friend entered another friend, who won an all expenses paid trip for two to Europe, without knowing they had been entered.

I personally during the source of my many years, have won precisely nothing ever.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by egypturnash »

philistine wrote: post #18

People complain that Safari is a terrible web citizen. Here I go to this website, with Safari and my trusty ad blocker extension, and the page keeps reloading endlessly. Who’s to blame? The crappy website, Safari, or its extension?

It's working fine on Safari (OSX) for me. Possibly with a different ad blocker.

Re: Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall (2018)

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Post by dghlsakjg »

gruez wrote: post #33
lisper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the fundamental economics of time shares are a scam. They are pitched as "ownership" but what they really are are perpetual rental contracts with no way out. (The rent is called "maintenance fees" but it doesn't matter what label you attach to it. It's a sum of money that you are obligated to pay year after year after year. If it quacks like rent...) And you even have to pay a hefty sum up front for the privi…

Most of what you've described can also be applied to condominiums. The only difference is that you can occupy them year round, but I don't think that's a relevant difference. Are the "fundamental economics" of those also "a scam"?

Condo fees are generally set by an elected council of owners based on actual spending needs. The condo association is also 'owned' by the condo owners, so if it dissolves any assets in the accounts revert to the owners. This means that you are entering into a partnership where the other partners are theoretically acting in your interest. They also come with the legal protections of being real property.

Timeshare owners are generally not represented by a committee of other owners, the money does not go to things approved by them, and the company makes no promises about acting in the interest of timeshare owners.

So yeah, you are contractually obligated to pay fees for a space you can occupy is where they are similar. There's a reason that timeshares almost never appreciate, often being given away for free, where a condo tends to hold value or appreciate.

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