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Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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What happens to games and in general applications, which are old and only have an IPv4 input field? How is it bridged to IPv6? If a friend only has an IPv6 address, how can I connect to them?

I guess I will have to set up a VPN, which internally uses IPv4 addressing?

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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compared to rolling out IPv6? definitely, especially on the longer term. For instance, most Core/Edge routers (my experience is mainly with juniper MX series, but i assume the model is roughly the same for other vendors), you need specific licenses or interface card's to do stateful services like NAT. Compared to doing IPv6, which is "just forwarding packets" and doesn't require the hardware to track state in nearly…

You’re presenting a false dichotomy. The choice for an ISP today is not “v4 or v6”, it’s either “v4 or v4+v6”. A v6 only connection in the US is unusable.

The more traffic you can get onto ipv6 the less stress is on the v4 infrastructure. Each v6 connection is one your CGNAT doesn't have to provide an ipv4 port for.

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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I sure wish Starlink supported IPv6. They're a brand new ISP planning for millions of customers and decided from the start they couldn't get enough IPv4 addresses for everyone. Fair enough! But we're stuck with Carrier Grade NAT and it is a drag. On Starlink it's impossible to host a server socket directly, which makes any peer to peer networking a PITA. Geocoding IP addresses doesn't work so I have to bend over back…

Starlink was also initially promoted for gaming, where CGNAT is terrible.

Unfortunately Sony doesn't support IPv6 either.

Without the laser links Starlink also never got the latency advantages it was supposed to have for long range gaming (like US to Europe). Instead it goes down to a basestation and then through traditional means, but that may change with the new bigger satellites if the laser part works this time.

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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What happens to games and in general applications, which are old and only have an IPv4 input field? How is it bridged to IPv6? If a friend only has an IPv6 address, how can I connect to them? I guess I will have to set up a VPN, which internally uses IPv4 addressing?

See other comment in this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31967691

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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Anyone go out of their way to disable IPV6 on all their systems, even at the hardware level, like on routers etc? What's a good reason to avoid IPV6?

Yep, I do. About once a year I try IPv6, and give up after a couple weeks when I keep having weird transient errors that I can't pin down accessing websites and other remote hosts, all of which go away the moment I turn off IPv6. Maybe it's me, maybe I have a bad config or bad hardware, but it just doesn't work for me.

I have AT&T fiber. I've been running IPv6 for about 2 years now and haven't had any issues at all. iCloud Private Relay also works via IPv4/IPv6, but I have had to disable it once or twice. Who is your ISP? How do sites like https://ipv6-test.com/ and https://test-ipv6.com/ score your connection when you have IPv6 enabled?

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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post #184

Its mostly impossible to run servers only with IPv6 since for some reason Canonical/Ubuntu decided to require IPv4 for snap, after years of not having any issues with IPv6 only deb mirrors. Go is also basically bound to IPv4 since it depends on github to pull packages its time to make hall of shame for software that does not allow developers to build IPv6 only going forward.

Wait, GitHub still doesn't support IPv6?

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

compared to rolling out IPv6? definitely, especially on the longer term. For instance, most Core/Edge routers (my experience is mainly with juniper MX series, but i assume the model is roughly the same for other vendors), you need specific licenses or interface card's to do stateful services like NAT. Compared to doing IPv6, which is "just forwarding packets" and doesn't require the hardware to track state in nearly…

You’re presenting a false dichotomy. The choice for an ISP today is not “v4 or v6”, it’s either “v4 or v4+v6”. A v6 only connection in the US is unusable.

All apps on iOS support DNS64 on ipv6 only network.

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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post #235

Question for the peanut gallery: Suppose I have a legacy ipv4 host which simply cannot do ipv6. Why couldn't I put some black box on my network connection in between my host and my uplink, which translates my host's IPv4 into a 4-over-6 IPv6 address? The black box can accept either v6 traffic and translate it for my host, or v4 and pass it straight through. The host only ever sees v4 traffic. V6-only clients can reso…

You're basically describing Cloudflare.

It is easy to make an IPv4 server accept IPv6 connections. It is relatively difficult to make an IPv4 client connect to IPv6 servers, because there aren't enough bits in the 'destination' field.

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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It rotates about once a day in most operating systems. Called ipv6 privacy extensions. This is of course defeatable, but it provides a nice black hole for a device. It moves on and you can't connect to it anymore.

yeah im not sold by this. i want all of my source traffic to show my gateway as the origin, not my unique end devices. privacy nightmare

On a protocol level, there is nothing in ipv6 preventing you from doing NAT. There are only less implementations of that, but it doesn't need buy-in from your ISP, as long as you control the router (and if not, you put a second router behind the first one which has your actual network).

Re: 40% of Google users now connect via IPv6

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Meanwhile, Github is completely unreachable via IPv6 to this day. Found that out the hard way the other week when I went to order a build server without an IPv4.

I think they're extremely scared about their Enterprise github.com customers being unhappy when their IP allowlists or IP address audits are impacted by a switch to allowing v6 addresses, as this will surely lead to tons of headaches for their account managers.

To add, if they're moving to Azure this might make IPv6 deployment complicated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29327773

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