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Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by chrisseaton »

xcambar wrote: post #40
chrisseaton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> functioning like a well-oiled machine and was loved by the city population You can’t possibly mean Tegel? I’ve never met anyone who has used Tegel who didn’t think it was clearly the worst airport in the world. I used to literally avoid doing any business in Berlin because Tegel was so painful.

> I used to literally avoid doing any business in Berlin because Tegel was so painful. I don't believe you. No business owner is their right mind would believe that you avoided doing business anywhere based on airport opinions.

Why? Invited to a conference in Barlin? Hmm no thanks really can’t be bothered with the airports. Conference in Frankfurt? Yeah no problem airport is easy.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by pizza234 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #16
odiroot wrote: post #7

Best way: close the actual city airport that was functioning like a well-oiled machine and was loved by the city population. Even better, do it against their explicit wishes with a shady decision that reeks of corruption. Any follow-up to that will always end up being "fucked up".

> functioning like a well-oiled machine and was loved by the city population You can’t possibly mean Tegel? I’ve never met anyone who has used Tegel who didn’t think it was clearly the worst airport in the world. I used to literally avoid doing any business in Berlin because Tegel was so painful.

> You can’t possibly mean Tegel? I’ve never met anyone who has used Tegel who didn’t think it was clearly the worst airport in the world.

I've frequently used TXL and it was actually my favorite. However, I can see why at least some people hated it. While A-gates boardings were very fast (for which reason, I personally used to find it very convenient), they were also very crammed, which surely bothered a lot of people.

The experience of AC was very different. I didn't have a particular bad memory of C, but it didn't have services, which can be annoying when there's lots to wait.

It was also convenient for a two-legs connection (since one typically had to take a metro, then the bus), since the second leg (bus) was short. But again, some people may frown upon anything that is not directly connected like Heathrow.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by bobthepanda »

rover0 wrote: post #19

TLDR: * All the public bids where too expensive. so the City decided to be it's own contractor, it must be cheaper. * Keep changing plans, double the size .. after starting construction. * Hire an architect that hates shops, change all plans again to add shops. * Start paying contractors by time instead of by job, they start stealing. * because of all the changes : stairs don't fit, cable management is broken, firesa…

Step 1 is not necessarily the worst idea, but it depends on you hiring competent people and managers (and it sounds like everything that followed was a result of this failure.)

The opposite end of the spectrum is CAHSR, which hired thousands of consultants with a staff of 180 and with very little to show for it https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-hi...

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by ricardonunez »

macspoofing wrote: post #30
AlexAffe wrote: post #24

Can we take a moment and ponder over why the title is censored? Why are we all okay with this? Who are we protecting, who are we trying to deceive? Why is it fine with everyone, that a youtube SNL skit is bleeped out? What THE FUCK has gotten into us? Either use the word, or don't use it. Show the video, or don't show it. We should all stand tall for our (fought for) rights, this isn't the fucking 60s.

>this isn't the fucking 60s. Are you sure? These things are cyclical. For example, I would say we are way more prudish and puritan than we were in the 90s.

My observation about that is that it is not a cycle but a constant motion. It is a consequence of pushing boundaries. We push and at some point we push back after a certain line has been crossed. We will probably find a balance at some point, then probably push forward again.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by bobthepanda »

oDot wrote: post #46
macspoofing wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>this isn't the fucking 60s. Are you sure? These things are cyclical. For example, I would say we are way more prudish and puritan than we were in the 90s.

I see you haven't been on Tiktok much

I mean, it really depends on what circles you are in, in our algorithmic-gatekeeped world.

There was a bit of a movement in TikTok to get freaky stuff out of Pride Parades, for example, because the younger generation of LGBT has portions that are more prudish.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by rover0 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #53
rover0 wrote: post #19

TLDR: * All the public bids where too expensive. so the City decided to be it's own contractor, it must be cheaper. * Keep changing plans, double the size .. after starting construction. * Hire an architect that hates shops, change all plans again to add shops. * Start paying contractors by time instead of by job, they start stealing. * because of all the changes : stairs don't fit, cable management is broken, firesa…

Step 1 is not necessarily the worst idea, but it depends on you hiring competent people and managers (and it sounds like everything that followed was a result of this failure.) The opposite end of the spectrum is CAHSR, which hired thousands of consultants with a staff of 180 and with very little to show for it https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-hi...

Both did it themselves instead of public procurement/public tender.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by bobthepanda »

rover0 wrote: post #56
bobthepanda wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1 is not necessarily the worst idea, but it depends on you hiring competent people and managers (and it sounds like everything that followed was a result of this failure.) The opposite end of the spectrum is CAHSR, which hired thousands of consultants with a staff of 180 and with very little to show for it https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-hi...

Both did it themselves instead of public procurement/public tender.

At least the initial hiring of consultants was done publicly. (Subcontracting is usually not done via public tender, since it is assumed that the main contractor's bid includes the complexity and cost of whatever subcontractors they might need, and requiring public tender for everything would slow things down significantly.)

The problem was that actually following the advice to keep minimal in-house staff who could check the work was really stupid, no matter who would win such tenders.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by [deleted] »

AlexAffe wrote: post #24

Can we take a moment and ponder over why the title is censored? Why are we all okay with this? Who are we protecting, who are we trying to deceive? Why is it fine with everyone, that a youtube SNL skit is bleeped out? What THE FUCK has gotten into us? Either use the word, or don't use it. Show the video, or don't show it. We should all stand tall for our (fought for) rights, this isn't the fucking 60s.

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Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by dzikimarian »

bobthepanda wrote: post #45
franze wrote: post #26

I just landed in BER 20 minutes ago and I am just amazed how bad the signage is The signs tiny and all in the same red/white color. The monitors tiny and sparse. The placement of the tickets for the trains placed where you do not pass. And just good luck if you go down the wrong stairway and then reached the nowhere, without any visible signs. They cared about the CI way more than about fast passenger throughput.

The same architect who designed Tegel did BER. Sometimes, past performance is not indicative of the future.

Well Tegel with multiple security checks during transfers isn't pinnacle of good communication either.

Re: How to fuck up an airport

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Post by [deleted] »

fock wrote: post #14
javajosh wrote: post #5

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Maybe technology, and a little behavioral modification, can help. For example, you can make an agreement with yourself: along with any online statement about endemic corruption, bad luck, lack of accountability, I will do something to reverse this trend I do not like. I will post the names of the politicians, businesses, consultants, responsible for a specific bad outcome. I think that would both strengthen your mess…

On a meta-level I'd also be very interested, how many people actually now about corruption of the smallest governing body where they live (and can name some members which got voted in). Given the fleeting lifestyle propagated here and by American laws (hey, there's another job, let's move), it's no wonder the government is captured by landed elites. It's the peoples job to change that and yes, settling down somewhere…

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