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Re: WeatherKit

#51

Post by lstamour »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #50
dieselgate wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple api - nope. Norwegian Meteorological Institute api - yup. That’s mostly in jest though (sent from an iphone) but also because Apple bought darksky (which was my preferred weather api/source in the past) and I’d assume that’s a big part of/rolled into the weatherkit offerings now?

Check out the giant red warning at the top of this page: https://darksky.net/forecast/40.7127,-74.0059/us12/en

Interesting. The notice doesn’t appear within the Dark Sky app at all. But the Weather app does have a lot of improvements, I think. Perhaps under iOS 16 we’ll just see the Dark Sky app disappear and get replaced by the Apple Weather app.

Re: WeatherKit

#52

Post by kioleanu »

knadh wrote: post #20

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute has an excellent free HTTP/JSON weather API that covers the globe. No signup required. https://developer.yr.no

Lucky for them that they’re not a public service in Germany, otherwise they would get sued for unfair competition (and lose): https://www.deskmodder.de/blog/2020/03/12/kostenlose-warnwet...

Re: WeatherKit

#53

Post by farmin »

knadh wrote: post #20

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute has an excellent free HTTP/JSON weather API that covers the globe. No signup required. https://developer.yr.no

As a farmer in Australia, I use yr all the time as a alternate model to our BOM. It's proven to be very good for rainfall forecasts.

Re: WeatherKit

#54

Post by lstamour »

haldujai wrote: post #21
modoc wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK there is actually LESS data than DarkSky (no daily high, low, feels like, etc..).

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The links are appreciated, but the rest of the post is too negative. Try to correct in a kind way, next time. Also, since it’s beta, it’s possible the API isn’t working correctly yet or that data is available in some regions but not yet available in all regions. Documentation isn’t everything. :)

Re: WeatherKit

#55

Post by cma »

threeseed wrote: post #41
cma wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is possible they don't get 30% cuts of any of that sale of info so want it out to avoid contagion ("but they dont pay 30% on X" spreads to "I don't want to pay 30% on Y and maybe we'll go to court over it"). Based on the emails that have come out from various trials, they want a 30% cut of everything, eventually including real world services mediated through the phone.

App Store is 14 years old. If Apple wanted to take a cut of literally everything that was facilitated using the phone e.g. Amazon or eBay they would've done it a long time ago. The benefit to Apple is the same reason that Google invests in Project Zero. Higher consumer confidence that a product is safe = higher engagement = higher revenue.

Here are a few of the emails I was mentioning:

https://www.twitter.com/techemails/status/148133934582287974...

Re: WeatherKit

#56

Post by aaronbrethorst »

lstamour wrote: post #51
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out the giant red warning at the top of this page: https://darksky.net/forecast/40.7127,-74.0059/us12/en

Interesting. The notice doesn’t appear within the Dark Sky app at all. But the Weather app does have a lot of improvements, I think. Perhaps under iOS 16 we’ll just see the Dark Sky app disappear and get replaced by the Apple Weather app.

I assume the Dark Sky app simply disappears from the App Store on December 31, and existing copies display an error message directing you to the weather app.

Re: WeatherKit

#57

Post by kmeisthax »

clintonb wrote: post #45
adastra22 wrote: post #40

We have WewtherKit, yet we still don’t have an iPad port of the official iOS weather app?

The strangest omission to me is the calculator app.

This is deliberate. Jobs saw what the calculator app looked like on an iPad and pulled it at the last minute.

This is a problem specifically caused by the iPad's design. On desktop you just prohibit the user from making the calculator app window bigger than reasonable and that's that. But iPads require that the current app fill the entire screen, so any apps that can't are really awkward and frustrating to use - as can be seen when you run an iPhone-only app on an iPad[0]. Third-party calculator apps have the same problem, too.

Before you mention Stage Manager, I should point out that making the calculator app an iPad Pro (2021) exclusive feature would be even sillier than the current situation of not having one.

At one point this was solvable by putting a widget in the Today view, which would mean you had a properly-proportioned calculator on your homescreen. However, several iPadOS updates have broken this fix:

* iOS 14 introduced a new widget type intended to live on homescreens that does not support user interaction. In iPadOS 14, these widgets sat on top of the older interactive ones and often pushed them far off the bottom where they were basically useless.

* iPadOS 15 redesigned the homescreen to bring it to parity with iOS 14[1], at the expense of completely removing the ability to have the Today view on the homescreen. You now have to swipe to the left to get at it.

So on a current-OS iPad, the only place for a calculator app to live that is guaranteed to always be a reasonable size is the legacy widgets section of a rarely-used Minus World of a homescreen that lives to the left of your other homescreens. Everywhere else incurs various levels of silly-looking design.

[0] Only recently did we even get the ability to rotate iPhone apps contrary to the device orientation. Before that, if you used a keyboard case, iPhone apps would more or less demand you take the iPad out of the case and hold the iPad in portrait in order to use it.

[1] If I had a nickel for every iOS feature that took a year to come to the iPad, I'd have two nickels.

Re: WeatherKit

#58

Post by PostOnce »

knadh wrote: post #20

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute has an excellent free HTTP/JSON weather API that covers the globe. No signup required. https://developer.yr.no

New Zealanders pay taxes for a weather agency and a separate climate agency, neither of which provides weather local for most farms (one farm client of my agtech automation business is an hour from town; the weather report only applies to town).

Additionally, the weather service is a "state owned enterprise" expected to turn a profit.

So everyone who needs farm weather uses yr.no

After covid, I'm going to go talk to some politicians about our weather forecasting problem.

Re: WeatherKit

#59

Post by dzek69 »

dieselgate wrote: post #48
knadh wrote: post #20

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute has an excellent free HTTP/JSON weather API that covers the globe. No signup required. https://developer.yr.no

Apple api - nope. Norwegian Meteorological Institute api - yup. That’s mostly in jest though (sent from an iphone) but also because Apple bought darksky (which was my preferred weather api/source in the past) and I’d assume that’s a big part of/rolled into the weatherkit offerings now?

I loved dark sky, I'm using it for my own smart home app, but I should move away from it much earlier, because it just became so inaccurate I can no longer rely on it. I don't know if this is for my region only, or a country (Poland) or whatever, but if a forecast says it will rain for 7 days straight and there is no rain, but the rain falled immediately after forecast stopped showing any rain then it's worthless to use.

I don't know if Weather Kit will provide the same accuracy.

I'm in a process of switching to Open Weather Map right now, I started when apple announced Weather Kit to Dark Sky users via mail. But I will try this Norwegian API as well.

Re: WeatherKit

#60

Post by pyuser583 »

knadh wrote: post #20

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute has an excellent free HTTP/JSON weather API that covers the globe. No signup required. https://developer.yr.no

Thank you!! That’s really cool!
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