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The Bullshit Web (2018)

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Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

#11
tl;dr which ironically is a good summary of all the bullshit on the Web.

Ages ago, I got tired of having these discussions with a certain class of programmer:

me: it really sucks that X does Y by default.

certain class: yeah, it does, but there's a switch you can set to turn that off.

me: I don't want to spend time learning how to configure X.

certain class: (puzzlement)

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

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It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

I truly wish I had the data to back this up, but in my memory the web is WAY WAY faster than it was back then even with all of the extra "bullshit". I mean the images were like 16 colors and 200X300, and even just text based sites were slower and latency was worse too. Am I crazy here?

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

#14
This is why 25 years ago in 1997 I proposed BSML:

https://web.archive.org/web/19970113025507/http://www.art.ne...

And also AIML (Artificial Intelligence Marketing Language), an obvious application of BSML:

https://web.archive.org/web/19970112152156/http://art.net/St...

(Actually a parody of VRML, which I did by copying articles hyping VRML, and replacing VR with AI):

https://web.archive.org/web/19970113025339/http://art.net/St...

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

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It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

I truly wish I had the data to back this up, but in my memory the web is WAY WAY faster than it was back then even with all of the extra "bullshit". I mean the images were like 16 colors and 200X300, and even just text based sites were slower and latency was worse too. Am I crazy here?

Yeah I agree. Lots more bloat now, but I'm not often waiting for images to render or sites to load in general

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

#16

It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

> Is an old late-'90s version of Microsoft Word that could run on a machine with 4MB of RAM really a thousand times better than one from today that requires 4GB?

100,000x even. Obviously yes! Even the web -- the things the higher resource caps enable are unbelievable. Yes bottom feeding news sites are worse for it, boo hoo. Have you see the shit you can do in a web browser today? On any device? It's so, so, so much cooler and better than anything the 90s had.

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

#18

It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

I truly wish I had the data to back this up, but in my memory the web is WAY WAY faster than it was back then even with all of the extra "bullshit". I mean the images were like 16 colors and 200X300, and even just text based sites were slower and latency was worse too. Am I crazy here?

Yeah - I think people forget, things were really slow back then.

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

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It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

> But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now

We have very different memories then. I very clearly remember everything but very simple html taking forever to transfer over 56k connection

Re: The Bullshit Web (2018)

#20

It's an old, old argument, but very true. My first Internet-capable computer had a 14.4k modem - that's a theoretical speed of 14,000 kilo bits per second. But on the whole I don't really remember the web being slower or less usable than it is now, and that was before ad blockers were really a thing. And some of the technologies that we have now but not then could theoretically have made sites load even faster; PNG i…

I truly wish I had the data to back this up, but in my memory the web is WAY WAY faster than it was back then even with all of the extra "bullshit". I mean the images were like 16 colors and 200X300, and even just text based sites were slower and latency was worse too. Am I crazy here?

No doubt the modern web is faster even on moderate xDSL connections. I remember web pages taking half a minute to load, even relatively basic ones. The 56k v90 was quite a bit quicker than 14.4k too. Its not even close to similar I remember watching JPG images gradually progress through their low quality versions upwards. Pages were a lot lighter back then but still much much slower than today.
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