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ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

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Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

That case was mentioned in the original Vice article and was a big part of the complaint.

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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post #11

We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

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Have you considered that if this happens every time, that the miscalibration might be on your end?

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

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Possibly the greatest abuse of "to be fair..." I have ever seen.

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

Thanks for the corroboration.

ShotSpotter has now an earned reputation as: 1. Generally full of crap 2. Tampering with evidence as a practice

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ShotSpotter execs learn about Streisand effect the hard way. Living in Europe, I have never heard of the company, now I have.

Alas, because you have not heard of them, does not mean your local police have not heard of them (they are probably using them already - even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money).

In Europe, companies selling to the police are extremely discrete and generally keep a hyper low profile, particularly when selling technology (dubious or otherwise). These deals generally work by 'befriending' politicians who can instruct police to purchase and that's all back-room type of stuff.

Generally, it's when a politician wants credit by claiming some success in reducing/detecting crime that these things get any press. The publicity focuses not on the company, but on the genius nature of the politicians decision making.

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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post #11

We had a similar case of ShotSpotter faking shots for the cops in my city. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/11/17/s... > On April 1, 2016, the ShotSpotter sensors picked up several audio bursts from a northwest Rochester neighborhood. Unable through its algorithms to detect a specific location, the system did not alert 911 or police. The system also thought the sounds to be the whirring blades of…

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That's just replacing their anecdotes with your anecdotes. Why not look at actual data, which is likely to tell you that crime has plunged everywhere since the 80s.

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That's just replacing their anecdotes with your anecdotes. Why not look at actual data, which is likely to tell you that crime has plunged everywhere since the 80s.

>Why not look at actual data, which is likely to tell you that crime has plunged everywhere since the 80s.

Overall yes, but not everywhere in my opinion. Many places got safer, but some places got much worse

edit: added "Yes, but" for clarification.

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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post #7

ShotSpotter execs learn about Streisand effect the hard way. Living in Europe, I have never heard of the company, now I have.

Alas, because you have not heard of them, does not mean your local police have not heard of them (they are probably using them already - even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money). In Europe, companies selling to the police are extremely discrete and generally keep a hyper low profile, particularly when selling technology (dubious or otherwise). These deals…

"...even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe...."

Er, no.

You have astonishingly high gun crime in the States.

Sorry 'bout that.

Re: ShotSpotter defamation lawsuit against Vice has been dismissed

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ShotSpotter execs learn about Streisand effect the hard way. Living in Europe, I have never heard of the company, now I have.

Yeah for the past decade I’ve had awesome results by not doing anything during a controversy, and then sending DMCA requests and other digital cleanup methods to every source a few weeks later

The idea was that people’s system caches would have deleted stuff by then, so anyone that noticed at that point couldn’t go resurrect to attempt to start a Streisand

Browsers and the internet are super different now, but the same concept generally applies: people only care if you seem to care.

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