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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by skissane »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #245
InefficientRed wrote: post #181

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Oh, okay. Just confusion of terms. My brain organizes things as "beer, wine, and alcohol (aka spirits)" as opposed to "alcohol, including beer and wine". And an "alcoholic beverage" is just either a spirit alone or a spirit mixed with something. Probably because that's how my state organizes the stores (with wine/alcohol in separate stores from beer, so if you say "we need to buy beer" that means going to a different…

The unambiguous word in these situations is "liquor", at least in US English.

“Liquor” has two senses - a narrow sense in which it refers specifically to beverages produced by distillation, and a broader sense in which it refers to alcoholic beverages in general, including wine and beer. The narrow sense is stronger in the US (and I think also Canada?), whereas the broader sense is stronger in the UK and Australia (and I would assume Ireland and New Zealand too)

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Post by alar44 »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #136
alar44 wrote: post #89

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Um, seriously, I like smoking joints, but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent. It's as if the only thing available is vodka, but I'd like a beer. Drinking less vodka doesn't make it a beer. They're completely different things.

Vodka + water. > but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent. And I call BS on this.

Weed is definitely stronger than it was in the 90s.

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Post by 9dev »

jabiko wrote: post #83
hans1729 wrote: post #65

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I was told so from a credible source a couple years ago. What I can recall: legalisation would entail complex legal work, to a degree where that option is essentially not on the table. This is supported by the fact that "Legalisierung" is not part of the political language wrt topic, instead they refer to "Kontrollierte Abgabe" (~'controlled distribution').

> I was told so from a credible source a couple years ago I'm not sure if you have noticed it but there where elections last year and the new coalition that formed has the legalization of cannabis as one of its official goals. Your "credible sources" might have been right a few years ago, but the political landscape has changed. > This is supported by the fact that "Legalisierung" is not part of the political languag…

Trouble is, nobody could bring the topic up right now without burning their career. Between Corona and Ukraine, trying to allocate time for the cannabis legalisation debate would simply be political suicide. And those topics will probably be present until (at least shortly before) the next election, which might see the rise of the CDU again, which will be the end of any cannabis debate whatsoever.

That is what a friend of mine working in the Bundestag said.

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Post by johnisgood »

standardUser wrote: post #332
johnisgood wrote: post #312

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So... let them do it. Once. Let us hope they will learn after their uncomfortable high. That might actually deter them from weed. It did work for me. Is it not how both kids and adults learn? If they cannot learn from other people's experiences that is. It does not take a rocket scientists to use those devices, but if the average people is really that dumb, then we should seriously take control of their lives if we w…

Me: We should be able to choose the types and potencies of the substances we put in our bodies. You: HELL NO WTF, really? Not that it matters, recreational stores solve this problem entirely.

What? You actually replied to a guy who said that people can already choose the potency.

I am in agreement with that. If they voluntarily pick the higher potency for their first time, let them experience how shitty it can be.

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Post by an9n »

samatman wrote: post #182
an9n wrote: post #159

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The trouble is that skunk is now prevalent and much, much more powerful than standard weed or hash - and the stronger it is, the more likely that it will trigger serious mental health problems like schizophrenia in a percentage of users. Also, setting aside the acute and dramatic consequences, take a walk around pretty much any reasonably sized town in the UK and before long you'll smell the characteristic smell of s…

There is no flower available which is stronger than hash. If you think about it for a few seconds, you'll see why. You didn't because it undermines your argument, since the UK has mostly smoked hash historically.

It took me literally a few seconds to find this:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/16/skunk-cannab...

'Smoking powerful skunk cannabis triples the risk of suffering a serious psychotic episode, scientists have found.'

'Those who reported smoking milder forms of the drug, such as hash, did not appear to be at increased risk, for instance. Murray said that, in line with this finding, he recommends hash to patients who are struggling to give up smoking altogether.'

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Post by snarfy »

ssfhsfhdjs wrote: post #205
snarfy wrote: post #109

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When I lived in Arizona before it was legal, the vast majority of weed came from Mexico. A quarter pound cost $200 and was a mix of male and female plants, full of seeds, grown in fields. I was a daily user for about 20 years. I moved to coastal state where it was legal. Now it's all hydroponically grown, all female and all seedless. I was a daily user for about 12 years and had to completely stop using it. It would…

I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it. I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually brea…

I would not have been able to quit without the antacids. I think it is a mistake to take them continuously though. They are supposed to be taken two weeks on, two weeks off. Don't try to quit the weed until you start on the two weeks on cycle, then take them continuously while you get over the weed. Take all the hot baths you need.

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Post by snarfy »

cainxinth wrote: post #231
ssfhsfhdjs wrote: post #205

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I'm struggling with this now. Daily cannabis user for 15 year or so, started puking not long after I'd switched primarily to concentrates. I've landed in the ER several times, and been hospitalized a handful of times for dehydration. Usually once an episode starts, a cocktail of ativan, reglan, and pepcid is about the only thing that'll get me out of it. I've tried to quit cannabis several times now, but usually brea…

This is why I’ve avoided concentrates. I’ve tried (and enjoyed) them all, but I was already concerned that my tolerance to plain old weed was too high. I knew if I got too into wax and shatter, I’d end up chasing the dragon (or at least the weed version of that) and potentially worse (i.e. cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome). Concentrates are something I treat myself to just a few times a year. Everything in moderation…

I switched to shatter because it was much cheaper at the quantities I was doing. Then one day I was disgusted by the whole situation and went back to flower. I didn't like the idea of needing to use a blow torch to smoke shatter out of a crack pipe. Too many real life responsibilities and just getting too old for that.

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idleproc wrote: post #330
donkeyd wrote: post #242

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Well, it's not about that. It's that one of the reasons the Netherlands never legalized is that the rest of Europe didn't. So we were afraid that we'd become a place where international criminals come to produce massive amounts of weed legally to then export it illegally. When countries surrounding us start legalizing, we have no reason not to. Since growing weed is purely done by criminals right now, we're also afra…

> we were afraid that we'd become a place where international criminals come to produce massive amounts of weed legally to then export it illegally I remember a few years back, someone in the Dutch police claimed the Netherlands was on its way to becoming a narco-state [1]. I'm ignorant about the domestic issues there, so correct me, but it seems like the legality of drugs is a separate issue to the control of organi…

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Post by petre »

idleproc wrote: post #330
donkeyd wrote: post #242

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Well, it's not about that. It's that one of the reasons the Netherlands never legalized is that the rest of Europe didn't. So we were afraid that we'd become a place where international criminals come to produce massive amounts of weed legally to then export it illegally. When countries surrounding us start legalizing, we have no reason not to. Since growing weed is purely done by criminals right now, we're also afra…

> we were afraid that we'd become a place where international criminals come to produce massive amounts of weed legally to then export it illegally I remember a few years back, someone in the Dutch police claimed the Netherlands was on its way to becoming a narco-state [1]. I'm ignorant about the domestic issues there, so correct me, but it seems like the legality of drugs is a separate issue to the control of organi…

NL is still a central hub for drug traffic. This is a consequence of the NL ports being very efficient. Belgium and Spain are other entry points for cocaine. But there have also been some high profile arrests of drug lords in the NL, such as the arrest of Tse Chi Lop, the head of the Sam Gor syndicate, responsible for a $8bn per year meth trade.

Here's a 70 page report only on cocaine trade.

https://border-security-report.com/the-cocaine-pipeline-to-e...

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Post by gallexme »

MaKey wrote: post #319
gallexme wrote: post #197

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If you refuse, then you under arrest and get driven to the police station where a Amtsarzt(approved police office doctor) will draw your blood and check if you are roadworthy

The police can do that - however, they need reasonable suspicion for it. I have refused to be tested for alcohol successfully in the past. I didn't drink anything, I just don't like such tests being routinely used when there is no indication that alcohol or drugs were consumed.

I wonder if that only works on checkpoints/ places where masses of vehicle get checked, I don't think it would work if you the only one getting pulled out(atleast ime in Baden-Württemberg), drinking suspicions haven't been more than "have u had smth to drink? "+l and if suspicion is high enough a "where have you been/where you going to ", never breathalyzers

But cannabis, wrong hair style+ couple younger people in car= did u smoke? "No "well we will make sure of that ourself"

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