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What's the deal with all those weird wrong-number texts?

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Re: What's the deal with all those weird wrong-number texts?

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I'd give anything to get rid of my phone, but almost everyone you do business with (DMV, electric/gas/water company, etc) expects you to have one. Same thing with USPS and their paper spam. At this point they're little more than government-mandated spam delivery channels. Private companies are handling the spam situation infinitely better.

You aren't mandated to have mail or phone. Edit: Noting a lot of downvotes on this comment, which is odd. I can only conclude one thing- don't be Amish on HN. Perhaps this could be an opportunity to explore a different way of life, and a different community structure. It is not all horse buggies and barns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6SlJZk5guI&list=PLEyPgwIPkH...

I can understand the concept of Amish communities not having telephones or mailboxes, but that lifestyle seems inconsistent with the behavior of arguing for the merits of that lifestyle on Hacker News.

Re: What's the deal with all those weird wrong-number texts?

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They have, per the article, buildings full of slaves to do the selling. I doubt GPT-4 will be able to compete on price with that.

I am morbidly curious what the locations, salaries and working conditions are like. Because obviously they have to recruit people who have some basic level of English language literacy, so that commands a bit of a wage premium (even in India or Bangladesh) over truly unskilled labor.

The article goes into this a little. Obviously there are different groups doing this with different setups, but in some documented examples it's basically slavery

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I've got an idea how to improve the scams. Instead of trying to communicate with the victim directly, create a group chat of fake accounts, with the victim added. The fake accounts can share information, and because this is information is shared between subjects obviously trusting eachother, the victim is very likely to believe it. The effort is higher (multiple accounts needed), but for some high-value targets might…

Isn't that basically every crypto Telegram / Discord group? A bunch of "to the moon" sock puppets very excited about shitcoin du jour...

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Just imagine, every drifter, nomad and homeless person were required to set up a mailbox. It's just silly.

>Just imagine, every drifter, nomad and homeless person were required to set up a mailbox. It's just silly. They don't have to. Just have mail sent to: Joe/Jane Drifter General Delivery TownNearWhereYouSquat, Or at least that's how it's been done for decades.

Yeah but they never have to come in and pick it up and I doubt the post office retains that mail in perpetuity until it’s picked up.

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I've got an idea how to improve the scams. Instead of trying to communicate with the victim directly, create a group chat of fake accounts, with the victim added. The fake accounts can share information, and because this is information is shared between subjects obviously trusting eachother, the victim is very likely to believe it. The effort is higher (multiple accounts needed), but for some high-value targets might…

> Does this kind of scam exist yet?

Are you kidding me? Of course it does! Inviting a victim into a group chat where everyone (all scammer-controlled accounts) is allegedly making good money from some get-rich-quick scheme has been a tried-and-true scam tactic for ages. Might be as old as group chats. FOMO is powerful.

There are even improved versions that involve multiple groups. E.g. you first join an entry level group, and after you invest a certain amount (they’ll make sure you’re rewarded for that initial investment), you’re promoted into an inner circle group for which the best opportunities are reserved. Of course, that’s where they drain your bank account.

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>Just imagine, every drifter, nomad and homeless person were required to set up a mailbox. It's just silly. They don't have to. Just have mail sent to: Joe/Jane Drifter General Delivery TownNearWhereYouSquat, Or at least that's how it's been done for decades.

Yeah but they never have to come in and pick it up and I doubt the post office retains that mail in perpetuity until it’s picked up.

https://www.usglobalmail.com/usps-general-delivery/

Re: What's the deal with all those weird wrong-number texts?

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Related. I listed something for sale on Craigslist recently and got a bunch of messages right away that asked obvious questions that were in the listing. One suggested that his wife pick it up, and can I take Zelle? Went silent when I said cash only. But the most interesting scammer said: "for my safety, can I send you a 6-digit number, and you confirm it, so I know the listing is not fake?" I say yes, unsure what th…

I don't understand why the 2FA texts don't clearly state what the intent of the code is? Something on the lines of "you or someone tried to create a new Google voice number. Please enter this code xyz on the form to proceed".

Around here all banks that used SMS for 2FA did that. You'd get sms detailing the transaction - whether it's log in, transfer or anything. In case it is a transfer, the text included the amount and destination account.

Everyone mostly went to "authentication apps" now but those still show what are you confirming.

Not sure why it is not a common practice.

Re: What's the deal with all those weird wrong-number texts?

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A theory which would be more convincing except that [i] saying they're from Nigeria also filters out all the gullible people with spam filters, and yet despite spam filters now preventing the majority of gullible people from responding, the scripts haven't changed [ii] the more straightforward explanation is that they say they're from Nigeria because their ultimate objective is getting you to send money to Nigeria...…

Modern spam filters are almost entirely based on sender, not content.

I just looked through a variety of some of the most recent spam messages I’ve received, with Fastmail’s SpamAssassin setup, with a user Bayes filter (I’ve easily had enough spam to achieve that), Vade checking, and various block lists (some pertaining to sender, some other properties).

It’s a surprisingly even mixture of content, sender-related metadata, other message-related metadata, and unattributable (e.g. SH_HBL_EMAILS, ME_VADESCAM). Most of the time, any two of those four would be enough to reach the spam threshold of 5. Regularly, any one of at least three of them.

I should note that what I’m calling “sender-related metadata” is not penalising unknowns: it’s only penalising known-bads. Thus, it’s not really about sender reputation as a whole, but rather established bad sender reputation. The only form of penalising of unknowns that I’m aware of with Fastmail is when the sender is on a domain name registered in the last I think 72 hours.

When it comes to the more tailored things (oh, you somehow managed to spend two hours looking at my site, particularly liking my Rust FizzBuzz article, and wonder if I wouldn’t mind sharing a link to your Python guide, and you keep pestering me?), it’s only content, with everything else neutral. (In the specific example I cited there, the first message got BAYES_00, the second got BAYES_50, and the third BAYES_99 + BAYES_999 perhaps due to me manually marking the previous ones as spam but probably also from introducing the term “guest post” which I imagine my Bayes filter regards dimly.)

(I like the fact that I can inspect Fastmail’s spam filtering to quite some degree, and you can talk to their support about it as well and get more detail when desired. The big ones like Gmail are just completely opaque, with people poking and prodding at the edges to try to understand its caprice. Disclosure: I worked for Fastmail for a few years.)

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