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Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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So? If advertised with a feature, it is incumbent on the seller to provide a product with that feature.

"So" it is not the story that people keep repeating. Tesla do not remove AP from resold cars.

Except, as you acknowledge below, that is exactly what they did.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Profitable. For whom? For the municipiality a 6 lane street vs a two lane street with public transport and bicycle lanes can make the difference between neverending debt and prosperity. Places with good public transport and bicycle infrastructure and denser mixed use pay more tax revenue. Spread out urban sprawls and suburbs give the municipiality a lot of street surface to maintain, for very little tax revenue in re…

Municipalities are generally managed to dry the funds in favour of the friends of whomever is in power. Usually such considerations come last. For example in Italy many municipalities removed public transport so that FIAT could sell cars. And USA is at least just as corrupt.

> Municipalities are generally managed to dry the funds in favour of the friends of whomever is in power. Usually such considerations come last.

I think you should strike the word generally here. Even in Italy there are many municipialities with great public transport (grew up not far from the Italian border). In Europe it is generally not rare to have municipialities with nice or even exceptional public infrastructure.

Corruption is always a thing that can exist, but if your place becomes dysfunctional for it, maybe consider your might be missing some of the core ingredients that lead to good democratic decisions (education, will by common folk to participate in regional politics, a working system of law that works against corruption, etc.)

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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I am just wondering how many people have to die before it finally dawns on on us that the current approach is idiotic. The supposed smart cars can't even talk to each-other directly 'without internet' to warn of a car pileup! They can't report to city traffic control about their condition. We should be innovating in infrastructure instead - create standardised computer readable infrared road markings, equip each traf…

That's a lot of effort, money, and infrastructure that could go into developing a healthy public transportation system instead of trying to stop all the cars from killing people.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Vienna, Austria: public transport costs 1 EUR per day without any limits. It is also extremely well developed and reliable. Most people, especially without kids don't even consider getting a car.

Damn that's cheap, it's 1.5 EUR per FARE in Ljubljana and it as reliable as a stoner.

I thought slovenia was the Austria of the Balkans :)

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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> Cheap, well developed, reliable public transport will beat autonomous cars on throughput and resource use any day. Remember, this is happening in a state with massive multiple public health crisis that go un-reported and has maps of human excrement in their inner-cities. The priorities here are completely in the wrong direction I agree.

Are you in a state without an underreported health crisis?

Yes, Britain, the state of the NHS is very well known issue

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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> The zoning laws and car centric development of cities is the issue. Well, the main issue is that most of the cars on the road during the busiest hours have just 1 person in them. I think when the dust finally settles, the main form of passenger transit in urban-ish areas will basically be something that looks like autonomous vans. Unlike public transit today, they won't have predefined timetables, nor predefined st…

How is this an improvement over trains, trams, and light rail? I think reusing car-based infrastructure with busses is an important step in transitioning away from car dependency, but roads are not permanent. In many parts of America, trams and railways were torn down to be replaced by roads. The roads can be replaced too, if it is clear that alternatives are better. Plus, roads are destroyed incredibly quickly by ca…

Point to point transit at the time when you need it.

If I want to get from A to B at 14:00 and can do that in 30 minutes by car, but the only bus that goes there requires me to change at C, and it takes 20 minutes to get from A to C, 20 minutes to get from C to B, a 10 minute wait time at C, and the connection happens every 30 minutes and isn't perfectly aligned with my schedule, I'm now facing the choice between 30 min by car or over one hour (including the wait time at my destination because I had to take an earlier connection) with public transit. Add a 5-10 minute walk at each end to account for the distance between the nearest stop and the start/destination, and public transit can take 3x as long.

If there is a van service that gets me there in 40 minutes at a time of my choice, that's a much more acceptable option.

This may also consist of a car first taking me to a tram/bus stop a few minutes away that gets me more directly to the destination.

The van service also solves the problem of those few-percent edge cases where regular public transit just doesn't work, which force people to get a car, which then gets used even for trips where public transit would otherwise be acceptable (but not great).

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Are you in a state without an underreported health crisis?

Yes, Britain, the state of the NHS is very well known issue

Which public health issue does California have that is less reported than the broken state of the NHS?

You don't even live in the country and you know of the issues, how much harder can you contradict yourself?

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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I am just wondering how many people have to die before it finally dawns on on us that the current approach is idiotic. The supposed smart cars can't even talk to each-other directly 'without internet' to warn of a car pileup! They can't report to city traffic control about their condition. We should be innovating in infrastructure instead - create standardised computer readable infrared road markings, equip each traf…

Even without knowing when AGI will get here, I know it will be faster than solving the collective action problem.

We are not that far away from implementing negative interest on cash.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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The amount of negative comments here is simply daunting. The issue will be resolved. The fact that thousands and thousands of Americans die each year and nothing is being done to it and this company is on a mission to actually do so to prevent humans from dying should be championed and encouraged.

Oh and by the way there's real time traffic on Google maps. So most people usually drive with it either on their smartphones or their main – GPS navigation. So you could probably know that there's a slowdown ahead before you take your route.

Sure. It may suck that you have to use real time navigation to go anywhere, but that's the reality when driving in a congested city or route.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Completely agree, there are lots of things that can be done to reduce car related fatalities, like reducing car usage, lowering the maximum speed, designing better roads (that encourage lower speeds), improve road signage, more stoplights, better pedestrian crossing and protection, reducing distances between useful places. In parts of the city I live in it has become very uncomfortable to drive a car, there are just…

"there is really no evidence". It's not a statistical question, we can deduce it. For example, autonomous cars don't drink and drive.

Then autonomous cars should be better than drunk drivers, but that's still not the case.
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