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Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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It's interesting to see the toilet is in the center of the building. When Jobs took over Pixar the new campus development was planning to build three separate buildings: for creatives, for producers and for business people. But Jobs insisted that they be brought under one roof, with toilets at the centre — because that’s where everyone meets and talks.

No coffee? :-(

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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According to Isaacson's biography, it was Markkula who insisted that Jobs be heavily involved in the non-engineering areas of the company.

According to the same book, Wozniak specifically insisted at some point that he would prefer to be treated as an engineer and not be involved with high-level management. One could also say it would be interesting how things might have turned out if Wozniak was more ambitious.

Interested in why you use the word "ambitious" there. Woz most likely wanted to remain in engineering. That was (and is) his love and his ambition. Senior management probably didn't interest him in the slightest.

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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On the subject of counterfactuals, I recently finished reading Jobs' bio and Woz's autobiography and found myself contemplating how their lives would have turned out if they hadn't met each other. It seems easy to project the most likely outcome for Woz if he hadn't met Jobs - he'd probably still be an engineer at HP (assuming he didn't get laid off by one of their disastrous CEOs), his Apple ][ board a forgotten rel…

Here's a random theory: They would've met each other a little later, and done the same thing. Jobs and Wozniak orbited each other a few times before they really connected professionally. If you change one little thing so they wouldn'tve met each other, they would've met each other some other way. And if you change enough things so that they NEVER would've met each other, you'dve changed enough things that they wouldn…

We're doing counter-factuals. So what if it's not "never met", but "never went into to business together". Is it really hard to believe that fate could have conspired in such a way that Woz and Jobs didn't become business partners? Was the universe really curved in such a way to inevitably push Woz and Jobs to start Apple together?

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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It might have something to do with the fact that marketing people are on the phone a lot and engineers have to focus a lot. Wherever I've worked the engineering team always locked the CEO away from themselves because he's a huge distraction.

Typically, the CEO is "locked away" in a spacious corner office and the engineers have to make do with cubes.

Most CEO's I've worked with were startup CEO's and were locked away in the smallest most uncomfortable corner somewhere because the engineers reigned supreme and needed to get shit done on their dual monitors and needed plenty space for laptops and stuff.

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the same book, Wozniak specifically insisted at some point that he would prefer to be treated as an engineer and not be involved with high-level management. One could also say it would be interesting how things might have turned out if Wozniak was more ambitious.

On the subject of counterfactuals, I recently finished reading Jobs' bio and Woz's autobiography and found myself contemplating how their lives would have turned out if they hadn't met each other. It seems easy to project the most likely outcome for Woz if he hadn't met Jobs - he'd probably still be an engineer at HP (assuming he didn't get laid off by one of their disastrous CEOs), his Apple ][ board a forgotten rel…

> With Jobs, though, it's much more difficult to imagine where he'd have ended up without Woz. I could see him pushing Atari into PCs (but Bushnell didn't want the Apple ][, so that seems unlikely), or he could have been a religious leader, or a burned-out hippie living in Humboldt County, or a tyrannical Silicon Valley middle manager, or any number of other things.

Makes me picture a variation of Kim Stanley Robinson's "Three Californias" trilogy based on your scenarios...

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the same book, Wozniak specifically insisted at some point that he would prefer to be treated as an engineer and not be involved with high-level management. One could also say it would be interesting how things might have turned out if Wozniak was more ambitious.

Interested in why you use the word "ambitious" there. Woz most likely wanted to remain in engineering. That was (and is) his love and his ambition. Senior management probably didn't interest him in the slightest.

I don't know if you've heard about the Empathizing–Systemizing theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing%E2%80%93systemizing...) which was originally developed to explain autism, but basically engineers typically have very strong systemizing traits. Surprisingly, this also makes them good at certain aspects of high-level planning. I suspect that the current CEO Tim Cook has an excellent systemizing (as well as negotiating) mind, which would partly explain his great deeds in the supply chain operations.

Some people would argue that it was Wozniak's engineering mind that made him not want to pursue management. I would argue that the engineering mind is actually quite useful in management and that a lot of business leaders possess it (think Bill Gates). My hypothesis is that if Wozniak became as ambitious and controlling as Jobs was after the two met, the pair either would have fallen apart violently at some point or would have created an empire the size of Microsoft early on.

Re: Apple's 1978 office floor plan

#39
post #8

My grandparents had an Advent when I was a kid. That thing probably spat out more radiation than I ever would care to research. It was a beautiful beast though and could heat a room.

Youngen here: Might I ask what an Advent is? It's a hard thing to Google.

It says at the bottom: "“Advent” was not a religious sanctuary, it was the demo room with the $3,000 projection TV[1] that we used for demos to Important People."

[1]: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Advertisement-1978-ADVENT-VID...

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