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Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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I'm 50, live in AZ (where home schooling is very popular) -- I didn't homeschool my kids but many of my friends did. Here's what I have seen: 1) If you are non-religious, the canned curriculum, trade shows, support groups are very few and far between. You will be much more lonely than your religious home-schooling counterparts. 2) As your kids get older, it is harder and harder to give them a proper education. By the…

> As your kids get older, it is harder and harder to give them a proper education. By the time your kids are in middle-school, subjects get harder for a parent (or pairs of parents) to cover in a way that does each subject justice.

As a kid, I attended mostly private school, but when public school-educated parents express concern that they wouldn't be able to competently teach standard middle school subjects, that sounds much more like an indictment of public schooling than of the at-home variety.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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Social needs. Children need to learn how to be in relationship with others, it is the most fundamental need we have and is so important for the future of our planet. If I were to homeschool, it isn't about the learning, that is easy, it is about providing an environment where children can learn to co-exist with others. That can still be done with homeschool, but it will need to be intentional with daily activities th…

I went to public school and would argue it's a terrible place to be socialized. You are socialized by kids your age in an environment that's more akin to prison than the real world.

I agree. I was treated pretty terribly at times.

I don’t think we should strive to socialize kids in school. The ones who do okay could probably still do better.

Here in North America it seems like our communities are too fragmented and fractured to facilitate socializing without something like schools, though. No idea how to address and resolve this issue, but I’m not convinced our teachers and the socializing model are anything like ideal for kids.

Not bashing teachers here either. I think they’re often doing their best but are working in the confines of a non-ideal system with limited resources.

I was very keen to get my kids into a private school which had an education model and teachers I was impressed by, but it’s incredibly hard to get in. My kids are eligible to enter, but there’s no space for years. No idea what to do. I’m happy to spend a lot to address this, but even private tutors don’t seem like a viable option here.

I’m just venting at this point. This is a hard problem. My kids are getting a bad education here in Canada and it’s upsetting. I try to do what I can to get them ahead, but I’m a nerd, not a teacher.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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I'm currently homeschooling three teenagers (since the start of Covid), although one just recently graduated and will be attending University this fall. Ultimately we decided to take the leap to homeschooling because the quality of instruction and curriculum available to us through local or online schools was either not good or not a good fit.

Prior to that the two biggest things stopping us were the assumption that children have to go to an 'official' school in order to get a diploma and go to college, and the challenge in finding good curriculum.

In my opinion, the good resources include Khan Academy, IXL, and Well Trained Mind, or at least that is what has worked for us.

Tools that would make homeschooling easier would be an assignment tracker by class/subject that was easy to use. Khan supports assigning work but it's rather labor intensive to administer. For example if I have assigned tasks in a class for the next eight weeks and the schedule slides by one week then it would be nice to be able to just move all the assignments in that class back one week instead of changing every individual assigned date separately (as Khan Academy currently requires). This could even be something as simple as making a list of assignments available as a spreadsheet.

Logical progression across the units in a class is important. The Khan Academy AP Physics curriculum is a good example of what not to do in that respect.

Any attempt by the instructor/course material at getting the student excited about learning should be avoided/removed.

Grammatical errors, typos, and misspellings should never be present in anything your company makes available to students or parents.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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This so much. I've met quite a few homeschooled children and almost without fail they lack some pretty fundamental social skills. Things like an apparent inability to interact with children of their own age, or behaving obnoxiously to others in ways that would be rapidly stamped out by peers.

I work in educating young men and women, ages 16 up to around 60. Homeschooled kids almost never make a year in "normal" education. They fail to adjust to a small college, they are no longer the center of attention. They have to wait for others to catch up. They are not team players. It's really hard to watch.

It would be interesting to see actual statistics on this, because that doesn't match my experience at all. I was homeschooled, and went to a D1 state university, as did my siblings and numerous friends who were homeschooled. Both myself and one sibling finished with a 4.0 in dual majors. That same sibling went on to a masters program. I went on to an engineering Phd. The transition from grad school to corporate life was a bigger adjustment than high school at home to university. It just wasn't a big deal despite all the FUD.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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> It sounds like you were successfully sheltered from secular and liberal ideas If your utility function is "optimize for the life outcomes of my children", experimental evidence suggests this is a good thing. If your utility function is "optimize for outcomes that are in accord with my state-secular religious beliefs at the expense of my child's life outcomes", it's not.

One can say the same thing about public and private schooled kids -- sheltered from traditional and conservative ideas.

This is a false claim of equivalence: very different things are happening. A liberal education does not 'shelter' students from religion -- instead, they are more likely to learn about it critically, perhaps in comparison with various faiths and histories.

Personally I can say that I've learned a much greater depth about religion and spirituality outside of formal religious contacts.

Perhaps something about the organizational setup of religious-based and funded programs is counterproductive for skeptical minds who might otherwise be curious.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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Social needs. Children need to learn how to be in relationship with others, it is the most fundamental need we have and is so important for the future of our planet. If I were to homeschool, it isn't about the learning, that is easy, it is about providing an environment where children can learn to co-exist with others. That can still be done with homeschool, but it will need to be intentional with daily activities th…

I went to public school and would argue it's a terrible place to be socialized. You are socialized by kids your age in an environment that's more akin to prison than the real world.

Yea, i'd have to agree with you.

What i learned in school was how awful people can be. The extremes where we humiliate and torment others. The mindless churn to be in a clique and simply fly under the radar.

Slight tangent, but: In my view a parents jobs is to let children fail with a safety net. To be there and help them recover after failures are experienced together, to grow from them.

Public School, in my view, does none of this. It attempts to educate, sure, but not in socialization. Likewise parents, even the well executing ones (by my definition) cannot share the experiences. Parents can only see the aftermath and try to mend some wounds.. but the growth is up to the child, in isolation.

I don't know the better solution. I don't have the answer. All i know is that in the context of how i judge parenting, school fails entirely on. School is lord of the flies. Many prosper. Many drown. Many could grow, if only a guiding hand existed.

Clearly i'm a pessimist here. I'm also not having children, which may not surprise you. Hah.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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I'm currently homeschooling three teenagers (since the start of Covid), although one just recently graduated and will be attending University this fall. Ultimately we decided to take the leap to homeschooling because the quality of instruction and curriculum available to us through local or online schools was either not good or not a good fit. Prior to that the two biggest things stopping us were the assumption that…

> one just recently graduated

That's quite funny if you don't immediately recall that North Americans talk of 'graduating' school...

Anyway, do you fit this in alongside working (not as a home-teacher I mean) through some combination of relatively hands-off assignments etc. and evenings/weekends, or does it only work because you don't?

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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We did remote schooling during covid. Kids don't actually like it. I never thought I'd see the day when my child would wail about not being able to go to school, but that's it.

Also as bad as kids are with learning with teachers, it's usually a lot worse with parents. It's very stressful to, say, teach a child math. I think being in a group of others doing it gives them a little more grit.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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post #140

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No, these two views are not even close to equivalent. Why? Liberalism and pluralism do not attempt to deny other ways of life or philosophies. (They may criticize them, but they do not claim to have absolute truth.) On the other hand, many dogmatic religions want to protect children from influences they cannot control or understand. Studying many different philosophies leads some to conclude relativism is correct. Bu…

> many dogmatic religions want to protect children from influences they cannot control or understand. Yes, for example, the state-secular religion of the US, which is enforced in public schools, wants to protect children from influences it cannot control, such as homeschooling.

> Yes, for example, the state-secular religion of the US, which is enforced in public schools, wants to protect children from influences it cannot control, such as homeschooling.

No.

This seems like an attempt at a wise phrase unfortunately mechanistically generated from some recursion and word substitution.

Please try to support the claim if you actually believe it.

Research classical liberalism, the scientific method, liberal arts, music, pedagogy, statistics, almost any field of study; they are not dogmatic in the same way that religion is.

You should read about the history of the homeschooling movement especially in the American south such as Georgia. It has been a sustained effort by conservatives to opt out of the educational system.

Perhaps you have some interesting angle on how state education is somehow parallel? But I highly doubt it. I see a computer scientist's mind at work trying to find a pattern -- a meta pattern perhaps -- to claim understanding. The problem is that I don't see any evidence that the claim has been examined up close. I don't see awareness of historical or educational context.

Tell me if I'm wrong. I see it very often here: Overconfidence without a grounded understanding.

Consider a simpler and rational explanation (for the USA at least): State-based education is funded largely because it is in the interest of the state to educate citizens to participate in government and exist in a pluralistic society. An effective education in democracy does not shelter people from the idea of religion but instead puts it in a context so that we can live together even though we may not have the same fundamental beliefs.

Re: Ask HN: If you’ve considered homeschooling, what’s stopping you?

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post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One can say the same thing about public and private schooled kids -- sheltered from traditional and conservative ideas.

This is a false claim of equivalence: very different things are happening. A liberal education does not 'shelter' students from religion -- instead, they are more likely to learn about it critically, perhaps in comparison with various faiths and histories. Personally I can say that I've learned a much greater depth about religion and spirituality outside of formal religious contacts. Perhaps something about the organ…

I'm very confused about the meaning of 'liberal' in this thread - it's quite overloaded anyway, but is it also like 'conservative' in having quite a different (or at least more specific) meaning in the US vs. UK (and especially vs. capital-C 'Conservative' party)?

But also it seems to be assumed contradictorily to imply each secular and not?

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