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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mrtksn »

denton-scratch wrote: post #537
mrtksn wrote: post #164

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Sure, the publisher can also be responsible but YouTube is not a publisher. They are like electrical company that provides you with cables and electricity. Youtube removing videos is like the electric company cutting of your electricity when they believe there's something harmful on the TV. There are plenty of publishers on youtube and as they do curate their content, they should definitely be responsible. They are a…

> They are like electrical company that provides you with cables and electricity. Well, except that they don't provide anything similar to cables or electricity; what they distribute is content. How's that not a publisher?

> they distribute is content. How's that not a publisher?

Because they are not involved in the publishing? They are a platform where the publishers engage in publishing.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by henryfjordan »

SECProto wrote: post #533
411111111111111 wrote: post #529

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Dunno man, mine takes less then 5 minutes to get to about 150°c. I never measured it but just activating it before I take a pizza from the freezer is enough time to get it fully preheated. It really depends on the quality of the oven i think. There isn't that much more Air to heat so the wasted energy is less then you'd intuitively expect. And regular sandwich irons take at least as much energy, because it's not an e…

Toaster ovens and toasters are at most 1800W appliances. Typical electric oven elements are in the 3000-3500W range. If you're broiling, toaster ovens are much more efficient. Ovens I've used take roughly 15minutes to warm to 400F (200C), regardless of if they are electric or gas.

How many times can you run that oven before you spent the energy required to produce the toaster oven? I'd bet it's in the thousands.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by t_mann »

logifail wrote: post #522
t_mann wrote: post #483

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> So what's the point in getting a Navy pilot to watch him "flying" them? They don't comment on his flying but on other aspects, like the training scenes, mission tactics, and also on the flying (by professionals) that is depicted. > Erm, why? Movies are movies. You might feel that way, but even then you'll have to admit that a lot of people don't make that distinction to that extent (especially kids) - so they'll en…

> How would I know what's realistic and what's not (in areas so far outside of what I do) if I didn't rely on people with this knowledge? If it's realism you're after, how about listening to a professional talking about their profession? Why bring Hollywood into it? Watching a clickbaity-titled video of a professional "reacting" to a movie just seems ridiculous. It's all done for the clicks.

> If it's realism you're after, how about listening to a professional talking about their profession?

I actually do that too, why the false dichotomy?

> Why bring Hollywood into it?

Because I've already watched the movie and now I want to know what to make of it. Claiming that it's all completely unrealistic 'because Hollywood' is a far more uninformed position than listening to an expert give a balanced account. Watching a documentary and then assuming that that gives me the required knowledge to make a realistic assessment sounds completely delusional.

And why do you care so much that the title is designed to induce clicks? Every outlet from solo influencers to NYT/WSJ-style media giants creates their online content with this mindest nowadays. It's only clickbait if the content doesn't live up to what's promised in the title.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by justAlittleCom »

I am sorry but I strongly disagree with most comments here. I do a lot of things potentially extremely dangerous, like burning wood with a microwave, or driving a motorcycle, or playing with hydrogen and oxygen in stoichiometric ratio, I tried to melt a wrench with a 12V battery, and all that makes me a better engineer and a better person, more aware of the weakness of flesh and how reality is scary and how it dont care about our stupid meaty body.

I feel I see a lot of class contempt here, "those stupid people dont know that it's dangerous, they should stick with devices conceived by us. We educated people put stupid warning labels on it just for them". Of course, those poor soul should have been more aware of the danger, but censuring those video, or forbidding them to play with microwave, is that really what we want ? Anybody should be aware about the basic physics, that's the real problem here. I dont want to see moral video "dont do that because it's wrong", I would more video like "look at that how dangerous it is, and also, how cool is that".

About electroboom, I am the only one to think that being zapped again and again does a really poor job at passing the message "electricity is dangerous and can kill you"? If some people dont understand the dangerousity of electricity, maybe they just learnt from electroboom. I much prefer the channel "diode gone wild".

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #484
JPLeRouzic wrote: post #451

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Ultraviolet light causes skin cancer, yet it is not ionizing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation#Lower_f...

Near UV isn't, but the photons still carry considerable energy to push chemical reactions over the edge. Whereas microwaves are far, far below the visible spectrum, and none of that causes cancer. A microwave injury is serious stuff, but it seems like a huge stretch to attribute a later cancer to that exact incident.

> Near UV isn't, but the photons still carry considerable energy to push chemical reactions over the edge.

In my opinion (I am an amateur biologist) there is no need to deploy considerable energy to mess things at the cell scale: Most interactions there occur because of thermal noise.

Furthermore most protein interactions depend how they are folded which involves different fields, including Van der Waals forces. Van der Waals forces carry an energy of 4 to 40 meV per bond which is in infrared range.

So even infrared can mess up the internal working of cells. It could be that even lower frequencies also have a biological effect:

(Non-thermal effects of radiofrequency electromagnetic fields)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7417565/

Yet cells have many "quality control" mechanisms so usually the is no permanent damage.

But infrared exposure could bring benefits to cells also.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mixedCase »

richrichardsson wrote: post #68

I was considering searching for and reporting all "Fractal Wood Burning" videos. But you need to be signed in to flag a video, and there's no way I'm polluting my viewing history (and thus what YT thinks I like) with such shit.

You can delete them from your history, and you can indicate in the feed that you don't want those kinds of videos in it through the three dot menu

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Nextgrid »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks

Yet another example why advertising is a cancer on society.

In a market not corrupted by advertising, this kind of garbage content wouldn't exist because nobody would pay for it since the content they show is false and misleading.

But with advertising, the payment is automatic, non-refundable and happens preemptively even if the person doesn't consume the majority of the content (sometimes a single click is enough), therefore it becomes more profitable to mass-produce fake content designed to solicit clicks rather than content that provides true value such as information or entertainment.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Nextgrid »

CSMastermind wrote: post #450
skummetmaelk wrote: post #73

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A glaring example of how the advertising business model incentives lead to the worst outcomes for everyone. People working at TheSoul Publishing literally waste their lives producing straight up harmful content and the consumers either get brainrot from watching it or risk serious injury and death from replicating it.

What incentives would you put into place?

Banning advertising (or using strong regulation to make it non-profitable) so that people can directly pay for the content they want to consume. Content that provides value will survive, clickbait and this kind of crap will die off since nobody would pay for fake crafts (and those who did will ask for a refund when they try replicating it and it doesn't work).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Nextgrid »

teruakohatu wrote: post #382
t_mann wrote: post #274

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Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest…

There is a whole genre of people building "by hand" underground pools and other crazy structures in the jungles. Aside from being terribly unsafe, if you look closely you can often see marks in the dirt from machine tools that they forgot to smooth away in the soft clay.

I think those are all knockoffs of the Primitive Technology channel.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Nextgrid »

duskwuff wrote: post #390
hattmall wrote: post #139

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What I don't understand is the posting of these videos on Facebook by seemingly fake accounts. I'm in a bunch of yard sale groups and random unrelated accounts are constantly posting these hack and engineering type videos that are like 20 seconds of 50 different useless things with no explanations or other information. There's no ads displayed, there's nothing being sold or promoted and no links or way to find out mo…

> Does anyone else experience this? How are they making money or why is this being done? I suspect these are trying to build reputation for the account posting them. The bizarre, inexplicable videos will get watched by a lot of users wondering WTF they are, which may cause further content posted by those accounts to be ranked higher in feeds.

The account can later be resold, used to post ads or even sell courses to become a "successful" social media influencer using the account's own metrics as selling points.
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