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Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by giobox »

bmcahren wrote: post #2

I was discussing trademarks and domains with somebody today and tried to show them my favorite long-standing trademark dispute nissan.com but it appears all of the website content has been taken down in May 2022. Here's one of the last standing copies: https://web.archive.org/web/20220406221134/https://nissan.co... Oh, and digest.com where he told is lawsuit story is now for sale ( http://digest.com/ ) https://web.ar…

The UDRP ("Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" - the arbitration process all domain name disputes go through - you have little choice as mandated by ICANN for all domain name registrars) has been hopelessly broken in favor of the pursuer for a long time. It's a pursuer pays system; surprise surprise pursuers almost always win. UDRP panels are run by private firms of typically retired judges looking to cash in for easy work, selected by WIPO ("World Intellectual Property Organisation") . WIPO love the UDRP, because for the first time its given them real teeth to enforce something directly. Similarly, if you don't respond to a UDRP notification the case is almost always decided against you and you lose control of the domain, regardless of the merits of the case.

If you want to look up some really terrible UDRP decisions regarding things that can't typically be trademarked under almost all legal systems (place and family names etc), the barcelona.com case is pretty famous. Same too with mcdonalds.com. Nissan.com is just another example sadly.

There have even been UDRP cases where the panel has claimed using WHOIS anonymization was an "act of bad faith" and handed the domain to the pursuer. It's a wild system.

> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en

> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/policy-2012-02-25-en

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#12

Post by malux85 »

branon wrote: post #10
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #7

While the content of the website appears to be down now, according to the whois[1], the website registration itself with it being registered to Nissan Computer Corp. does not expire until 2024. [1]: https://who.is/whois/nissan.com

Is it known who will renew the domain? Nice legacy for the guy.

We should try and find out who is managing his estate, let's get it renewed the maximum duration, just to annoy Nissan

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#13

Post by zaidf »

Uzi Nissan was one of the more interesting people I met as a freelancer in college. He replied to a craigslist ad and we met for coffee. He had some crazy ideas (and conspiracies:) about all the things he wanted to hire a freelancer to do with nissan.com

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#14

Post by bee_rider »

fourstar wrote: post #8
0des wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the next step?

Good question. We've talked to various lawyers throughout the years. The crappy part is that the people who resurrected it have hundreds of millions in real estate backed ventures (big $$$), so there's really not much we can do aside from pound sand considering we weren't brewing the beer, or enforcing the trademark. The even weirder thing is that they used his name as their contact email for the longest time on thei…

> even had the gall to leave one of their first bottled brews at my great great grandfather's gravesite.

That's a weird thing to do. I can see wanting to steal an established brand because people are attracted to legacy, especially in the case of something like brewing.

But leaving a tribute at his grave is, honestly, just bizarre behavior. Are the obsessed or something? Do they think they have some connection to your family?

One of your family should try to work for them, maybe the company will treat them like the second coming. Or human sacrifice. But hey, worth a shot, right?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#15

Post by gxs »

fourstar wrote: post #8
0des wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the next step?

Good question. We've talked to various lawyers throughout the years. The crappy part is that the people who resurrected it have hundreds of millions in real estate backed ventures (big $$$), so there's really not much we can do aside from pound sand considering we weren't brewing the beer, or enforcing the trademark. The even weirder thing is that they used his name as their contact email for the longest time on thei…

Wow, this is enraging.

It's situations like these that would test how truly civil I am. I'm not sure I'd be able to keep myself from retaliating in other ways.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#16

Post by conductr »

kube-system wrote: post #6

It resolves and loads a page for me, it has just been... updated. Wonder if his next of kin will be selling it.

> Wonder if his next of kin will be selling it

Was my thought, hope he had put this in his estate with some reasonable transfer procedure

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#17

Post by dubswithus »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

One doesn't need an excuse not to buy some of the ugliest cars ever made.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#18

Post by fourstar »

bee_rider wrote: post #14
fourstar wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. We've talked to various lawyers throughout the years. The crappy part is that the people who resurrected it have hundreds of millions in real estate backed ventures (big $$$), so there's really not much we can do aside from pound sand considering we weren't brewing the beer, or enforcing the trademark. The even weirder thing is that they used his name as their contact email for the longest time on thei…

> even had the gall to leave one of their first bottled brews at my great great grandfather's gravesite. That's a weird thing to do. I can see wanting to steal an established brand because people are attracted to legacy, especially in the case of something like brewing. But leaving a tribute at his grave is, honestly, just bizarre behavior. Are the obsessed or something? Do they think they have some connection to you…

Yeah, a bit obsessed, I reckon. What irks me the most is my late father collected breweriana from the old brewery (serving trays, tip trays, signs, etc.). From what I've heard, after inheriting some of his collection and attending the bottle/breweriana shows he went to, I found out from a couple of dealers, that one of the guys from the brewery has also been collecting. So now I've got competition with deep pockets in an otherwise esoteric hobby.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#19

Post by capableweb »

malux85 wrote: post #12
branon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it known who will renew the domain? Nice legacy for the guy.

We should try and find out who is managing his estate, let's get it renewed the maximum duration, just to annoy Nissan

I'd be up to contribute some funds to have a $5 DO droplet serving the website for some time as well. I'll start by committing to one year of hosting ($60). I'll never buy a Nissan because of their actions against nissan.com, but somehow it doesn't always feel like enough.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by ses1984 »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Are there any car companies that are innocent?
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