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Harvard Must Fall

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Post by rr888 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9
rr888 wrote: post #2

I moved to this country, one of the reasons was great education system. Now I'm here it seems really confusing and overwhelming. Lots of tiger moms pressing overworked kids to get into Ivy league, and so much wokeness. The problem being that Ivy students really dont sound like they're smart or creative, they seem just people who are out of touch with humanity, doing what they're told on the first step of the corporat…

This isn’t really a fair stereotype of Ivy League undergrads at all. Parental pressure doesn’t translate into admission as much as you might think, given how transparently manufactured their applications end up looking. The Ivy League graduates I know went there because they were naturally high achievers, more or less. They liked being challenged, accepting challenges, and working hard to complete them. Ivy Leagues d…

Thanks for taking the time to reply on this. Like I said I'm relatively new here and dont really have a good feel of the different university cultures. I see lots of other families put a lot of pressure on kids and do extra-curriculars because "that is what admissions wants". My natural inclination is to recommend my children is do what I did, work studiously but also have a life. I dont really know if this is good or not until its too late.

> if your goal is simply to graduate college and move on then Ivy League would be a terrible choice. They really are much more difficult.

I'm not sure what you meant about this. To me most undergrad courses aren't that different from school, if you're using the same text books, similar curriculum it doesn't really matter so much where you are. For post-grad yes the differences make more of an impact.

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Post by alldayeveryday »

_uhtu wrote: post #18

Wow wow wow what an absolutely horrible article, I can not believe this has got to the front page of HN. First of all, Roland Fryer was indeed suspended for sexual harassment. He himself admits that and has talked about the work he's done to improve himself after learning the affect that his comments had on young people. That's behavior very unbefitting of someone who got fired for "just spitting facts in the face of…

The presidents of Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Brown, Cornell, Columbia, University of Pennsylvania (perhaps even Dartmouth) all have something in common with Marxism. I suppose pointing our this fact is what is called Cultural Marxism Conspiracy Theory?

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Post by tlear »

Funny enough it was safer to say that Brezhnev is an idiot on the campus of MGU in 1980 then it is to say that you voted for Trump at any Ivy school in US now.

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Post by kcplate »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9
rr888 wrote: post #2

I moved to this country, one of the reasons was great education system. Now I'm here it seems really confusing and overwhelming. Lots of tiger moms pressing overworked kids to get into Ivy league, and so much wokeness. The problem being that Ivy students really dont sound like they're smart or creative, they seem just people who are out of touch with humanity, doing what they're told on the first step of the corporat…

This isn’t really a fair stereotype of Ivy League undergrads at all. Parental pressure doesn’t translate into admission as much as you might think, given how transparently manufactured their applications end up looking. The Ivy League graduates I know went there because they were naturally high achievers, more or less. They liked being challenged, accepting challenges, and working hard to complete them. Ivy Leagues d…

>I really don’t understand this notion that Ivy League universities are somehow no better than community colleges

It has not been my experience that their graduates are any better educated than less prestigious universities. Post graduation at the undergrad level their value seems to be just the prestige of the university’s reputation on a resume and the social network it offers to other graduates for upward mobility.

I am being honest, I’d consider a degree from Ivy League university a possible negative for an job candidate if I am hiring. One, it speaks to a likelihood of a possible wealthy background growing up and my three decades of experience, I have not found that to be a consistent precursor to capability of the candidate. Two, it creates a higher likelihood that a recent graduate would use my opportunity as a quick stepping stone to the next big thing sooner rather than later.

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Post by sascha_sl »

chicob wrote: post #20
sascha_sl wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One expects nothing less than a moral panic and, dare I say, cancellation of an entire university, from the intellectual dark web types after such a representative sample. These comments alone provide more intellectual stimulation than their entire front page.

This submission just got flagged, so I guess the moral panic lies elsewhere.

Having standards is not the same. Not even close.
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