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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by chimprich »

peanut_worm wrote: post #256
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

> I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done.

The increased THC concentration compared to other psychoactive chemicals seems to produce more paranoia and other negative effects in some people, so it's not just a strength issue. The effect is different if the proportion of THC to CBD increases.

It's also easier to get more THC than you intended if you're consuming stronger stuff.

> Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

If spirits are legal then people should at least have the choice of drinking beer.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by TillE »

standardUser wrote: post #280
peanut_worm wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

It's really hard to dose "1 hit". It's not like a shot of liquor. And inexperienced users are not experts at hitting pipes or vapes or joints, so that "1 hit" becomes even trickier. And if you fuck up, whoops, now you're uncomfortably high for several hours! Better to have a much wider variety of potencies available, like we have with alcohol. Especially for the casual users who have been ignored by the market becaus…

You can literally just measure the amount of flower you're consuming before you start, either with a precise scale or by pinching out a tiny amount.

Use a good vaporizer or a cheap glass pipe.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by peanut_worm »

chimprich wrote: post #281
peanut_worm wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

> I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. The increased THC concentration compared to other psychoactive chemicals seems to produce more paranoia and other negative effects in some people, so it's not just a strength issue. The effect is different if the proportion of THC to CBD increases. It's also easier to get more THC than you intended if you're consuming stronger stuff.…

You do have a choice, as I said almost every dispensary carries CBD and low THC flower

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by Auracle »

peanut_worm wrote: post #256
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

According to the link in the post you’re replying to, it wasn’t all that long ago that it was 2%. 10% is still significantly higher.

And for what it’s worth, you can’t get Everclear in my state.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by standardUser »

TillE wrote: post #282
standardUser wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to dose "1 hit". It's not like a shot of liquor. And inexperienced users are not experts at hitting pipes or vapes or joints, so that "1 hit" becomes even trickier. And if you fuck up, whoops, now you're uncomfortably high for several hours! Better to have a much wider variety of potencies available, like we have with alcohol. Especially for the casual users who have been ignored by the market becaus…

You can literally just measure the amount of flower you're consuming before you start, either with a precise scale or by pinching out a tiny amount. Use a good vaporizer or a cheap glass pipe.

Sure, that is something you can say to an experienced marijuana user, but the casual dude who hasn't smoked weed since college and just wants to smoke a joint... that dude just wants to smoke a joint! There is no need for scales or precision to be involved. All that is needed is some low-to-moderate-potency weed, hopefully with some CBD content.

"Use a good vaporizer or a cheap glass pipe."

You do realize that a lot of people don't really know how to use those devices, right?

Why anyone would argue against more variety of weed with better labelling is way beyond my comprehension.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by WillPostForFood »

peanut_worm wrote: post #256
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

You can still find lower THC cannabis at any dispensary. Most carry from 10 to 30%. Most also carry CBD flower and very low dose edibles. I also don’t understand this argument because you can just take 1 hit and be done. No one is forcing you to finish a whole joint. Should liquor be outlawed because it is stronger than beer?

you can just take 1 hit and be done

Can you imagine how many problems would be solved if people could stop after 1? But you are fighting evolution, and the compulsion for more is extremely strong in myriad areas.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by monetus »

flycaliguy wrote: post #233
tommit wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick question for our Dutch neighbors: why not? I never understood why it is exactly that The Netherlands were kind of against the drug tourism. I mean, I'm sure your average pot head tourist is not that much trouble and leaves quite a bit of money, no? I studied in The Netherlands and always thought I'd be proud as a country to be that "progressive" in a sense -- especially once it became clear that other countries…

Personally, in 2010 I definitely walked across 8 lanes of traffic the wrong way on my first day in town… Must have been an actual highway. I have a vivid memory of cars revving their engine at me. In Canada the crossing signs with a countdown display how much time you have left to cross not how long the wait will be.

This is a good FYI, thanks.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by ch4s3 »

bornfreddy wrote: post #156
alar44 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. Are tobacco companies not allowed to own a cannabis company? They'll jump on that shit as soon as they can.

I think GP was trying to say that it is easier to grow cannabis than tobacco at home, which puts an upper limit to prices.

Cigarettes are only expensive because of the taxes.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Post by mensetmanusman »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

It’s a hard problem because any regulations increase cost to consumers and increase the likelihood that the black market still exists.

The black market is alive and well in the U.S. where it is legal.

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