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Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #17

lizardactivist wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reasons: 1. to keep African countries divided to further American policies and agendas 2. to thwart development, own exploitation of natural resources, and the possible rise of Africa as another super-power

> Reasons > 1. to keep African countries divided to further American policies and agendas > 2. to thwart development, own exploitation of natural resources, and the possible rise of Africa as another super-power Those aren't so much reasons as conspiratorial speculation. You might as well include: 3. Harvest Adrenochrome from African Children

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Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by hereforphone » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #20

pibechorro wrote: post #15

End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.

> End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace. ...let the Russian flag fly over the Baltics.

Allow women in Afghanistan to live under horrible conditions under an oppressive ultra-Islamic regime. Strange how everyone forgot about that one as soon as the yellow/blue flag became a meme.

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by ahelwer » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #25

ahelwer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US funded, trained, armed, and supported with propaganda fascist elements in many countries that came to political power and committed mass murders, all for our benefit. Call it whatever you want. "Far from perfect", just lol.

I didn't deny that. I just said calling it the "fourth reich" is hyperbole. Do you honestly believe, without hyperbole, that these actions are on the same level as those committed by the Nazis while they were in power. You know they were responsible for the genocide of millions at an industrial scale, yes?

Millions of people died in Indonesia, Vietnam, and elsewhere. It is absolutely on the same order of magnitude.

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by vorpalhex » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

helios_invictus wrote: post #23

The 127E program from my reading of it seems to involve small US SOF team operating in foreign countries with the logistical/security support of the local government as directed by DOD mission planning. This doesn't sound like proxy warfare, its clandestine direct action warfare. The Tongo Tongo Ambush, appears to be a 127E program with bad outcomes for the US military. Frankly I'd rather have US service members pull…

This sounds like it's overwhelmingly anti-ISIL based on the mission distribution and explanation.

Special forces are often NOT in direct action - it's risky - and instead are training local forces as force multipliers. There are exceptions but frankly you don't send Spec Ops to mag dump a terrorist in a fish market.

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by hahaitsfunny » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

hereme888 wrote: post #5

So we have no idea what the reasons behind these operations are, and yet people criticize them? That's foolishness. Well, the replies and downvotes certainly augment the foolishness. Assuming operations in Africa are for keeping countries repressed rather than promoting freedom and justice for those who can't fight for themselves, etc. The US is not innocent, but through their actions and 100 years of selflessly poli…

Well, we definitely have some idea... https://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-fm3-05-130.pdf

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by mrits » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

pibechorro wrote: post #15

End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.

If you did that I'd just take over the world myself as soon as you let your guard down.

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by yieldcrv » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

The congressional authority is for a current conflict, the undefined global war on terror

Nobody is lying here, the wrong questions are being asked

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by vorpalhex » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

ahelwer wrote: post #29

vorpalhex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pop your favorite popcorn and watch genocides occur? "Well but it's not our problem!" is not exactly comfort when a religious or ethnic minority is being erased on live tv.

Religious or ethnic minorities being erased aren't shown on live TV unless it's happening in or being perpetrated by a state that your government wants to topple.

The government can't keep their own secrets contained most of the time. They are not controlling the media. That is beyond silly to even suggest.

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by rayiner » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

ahelwer wrote: post #11

I recently read the book The Jakarta Method and it was extremely eye-opening. I'd previously heard a very abridged account of what happened in Indonesia in the 60s from Chomsky, but this book goes and examines how the same pattern was intentionally repeated by the US in many countries throughout the world. It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the…

Is the term “global south” like the term “black and brown people?” A concept that lumps together huge swaths of the world’s population that have nothing to do with each other, and reduces them to subjects in a moralistic rant against Americans/Europeans/whites?

Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

amq wrote: post #27

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #3

Its interesting. Some argued that 9/11 and its aftermath ( Patriot Act, Snowden and so on ) took a lot the American innocence with it, because it took the mask off. This would partially explain low recruiting for various US branches and some of the disregard most citizens seem to have for what their government is doing. What is equally interesting is the inevitable comparison to Russia and 'special operation' happeni…

Are you seriously doubting that there is a war in Ukraine?

I suppose it was awkwardly phrased on my part, which invited that comment. Russia's act of aggression is an act of war against Ukraine, but Russia calls it special operation, while US is engaged in various conflicts, which it deems 'anti-terrorism' activity. This is what intended to mean by that sentence.

What is more interesting is that US is now officially in a proxy war with Russia as well.