End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
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The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars
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Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars
#22End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
Pop your favorite popcorn and watch genocides occur?
"Well but it's not our problem!" is not exactly comfort when a religious or ethnic minority is being erased on live tv.
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#23The 127E program from my reading of it seems to involve small US SOF team operating in foreign countries with the logistical/security support of the local government as directed by DOD mission planning. This doesn't sound like proxy warfare, its clandestine direct action warfare. The Tongo Tongo Ambush, appears to be a 127E program with bad outcomes for the US military.
Frankly I'd rather have US service members pulling triggers in pursuit of direct US goals, then another countries government acting on our behalf.
That all being said, and as Ahelwer pointed out the policies and missions that this type of tool are used for are often misguided, imperialistic and short sighted. The oversight chain is not clear to me either.
Thus far the citizenry of the US is happily ignorant of many aspect of US policy and actions.
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#24End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
How do you end a war you did not start? Surrenders have consequences.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the course of the 20th century. Any left-wing or labor movements were threatened or actually put down with shocking fascist violence so that the wealth could keep flowing out of the country to the US. I don't know if it's the Chomsky talking but this kind of hyperbole taints your argument. While US involvemen…
The US funded, trained, armed, and supported with propaganda fascist elements in many countries that came to political power and committed mass murders, all for our benefit. Call it whatever you want. "Far from perfect", just lol.
I didn't deny that. I just said calling it the "fourth reich" is hyperbole. Do you honestly believe, without hyperbole, that these actions are on the same level as those committed by the Nazis while they were in power. You know they were responsible for the genocide of millions at an industrial scale, yes?
Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars
#26End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
> End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace. ...let the Russian flag fly over the Baltics.
I think we forget over time and become complacent to the strong possibility that the US maintaining its economic and defense hegemony has generally resulted in fewer people doing bad things. So you go from a generation who used the military might to stop literal Nazis and effectively save the world, to more of a lull where people forget that and start calling for a removal of all foreign bases and a reduction in might, to being smacked by the reality again that bad people predictably do bad things, such as russias invasion of ukraine, and it’s good overall that we have this military might, even if not everyone appreciates it.
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#27Its interesting. Some argued that 9/11 and its aftermath ( Patriot Act, Snowden and so on ) took a lot the American innocence with it, because it took the mask off. This would partially explain low recruiting for various US branches and some of the disregard most citizens seem to have for what their government is doing. What is equally interesting is the inevitable comparison to Russia and 'special operation' happeni…
Are you seriously doubting that there is a war in Ukraine?
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#28its not even that secret - US control over narrative formation / amplification are sufficient for entirely counterfactual stories to be held to be true and beyond scrutiny. This is the US strongest asset - control the stories that are told - and supremacy will be assured
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#29End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
Pop your favorite popcorn and watch genocides occur? "Well but it's not our problem!" is not exactly comfort when a religious or ethnic minority is being erased on live tv.
Religious or ethnic minorities being erased aren't shown on live TV unless it's happening in or being perpetrated by a state that your government wants to topple.
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#30End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
> End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace. ...let the Russian flag fly over the Baltics.
Conquest for land happens. California would still be part of Mexico if we hadn’t done the same thing. Why is it our job to stop to history?