I recently read the book The Jakarta Method and it was extremely eye-opening. I'd previously heard a very abridged account of what happened in Indonesia in the 60s from Chomsky, but this book goes and examines how the same pattern was intentionally repeated by the US in many countries throughout the world. It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the course of the 20th century. Any left-wing or labor movements were threatened or actually put down with shocking fascist violence so that the wealth could keep flowing out of the country to the US. Not even necessarily communist movements, just the same social-democratic policies that all the nordic countries were implementing. Things are very comfortable here in the core; all the really sick shit happens abroad and is never reported until decades later in books by academics. We can be certain it still happens to this day: nobody here ever faced any consequences, and the same faces or schools are still in power. And they benefit greatly.
The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars
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#12So we have no idea what the reasons behind these operations are, and yet people criticize them? That's foolishness. Well, the replies and downvotes certainly augment the foolishness. Assuming operations in Africa are for keeping countries repressed rather than promoting freedom and justice for those who can't fight for themselves, etc. The US is not innocent, but through their actions and 100 years of selflessly poli…
Foolish? The fact that military operations are happening with no oversight, particularly without the constitutionally required oversight (congress must declare war) is the basis of the criticism itself.
Does a dozen people with guns acting in combat under government orders count as "war"? They are skating on that ambiguity.
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#13So we have no idea what the reasons behind these operations are, and yet people criticize them? That's foolishness. Well, the replies and downvotes certainly augment the foolishness. Assuming operations in Africa are for keeping countries repressed rather than promoting freedom and justice for those who can't fight for themselves, etc. The US is not innocent, but through their actions and 100 years of selflessly poli…
Reasons: 1. to keep African countries divided to further American policies and agendas 2. to thwart development, own exploitation of natural resources, and the possible rise of Africa as another super-power
If that was the case, then it's been an abject failure. China owns Africa.
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#14Are there examples of these dark/classified programs, with zero constitutional backing, being reigned in by any branch of government? The DoD scope creep seems without end.
I can imagine that anybody who even thinks about it gets a visit from some anonymous men in suits who set them straight.
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#15End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
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#16I recently read the book The Jakarta Method and it was extremely eye-opening. I'd previously heard a very abridged account of what happened in Indonesia in the 60s from Chomsky, but this book goes and examines how the same pattern was intentionally repeated by the US in many countries throughout the world. It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the…
> It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the course of the 20th century. Any left-wing or labor movements were threatened or actually put down with shocking fascist violence so that the wealth could keep flowing out of the country to the US.
I don't know if it's the Chomsky talking but this kind of hyperbole taints your argument. While US involvement in Southeast Asia and South America are _far from_ perfect they're even farther from being like a "fourth reich".
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#17So we have no idea what the reasons behind these operations are, and yet people criticize them? That's foolishness. Well, the replies and downvotes certainly augment the foolishness. Assuming operations in Africa are for keeping countries repressed rather than promoting freedom and justice for those who can't fight for themselves, etc. The US is not innocent, but through their actions and 100 years of selflessly poli…
Reasons: 1. to keep African countries divided to further American policies and agendas 2. to thwart development, own exploitation of natural resources, and the possible rise of Africa as another super-power
> Reasons
> 1. to keep African countries divided to further American policies and agendas
> 2. to thwart development, own exploitation of natural resources, and the possible rise of Africa as another super-power
Those aren't so much reasons as conspiratorial speculation. You might as well include:
3. Harvest Adrenochrome from African Children
Re: The Pentagon uses a secret program to wage proxy wars
#18I recently read the book The Jakarta Method and it was extremely eye-opening. I'd previously heard a very abridged account of what happened in Indonesia in the 60s from Chomsky, but this book goes and examines how the same pattern was intentionally repeated by the US in many countries throughout the world. It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the…
> It is scarcely an exaggeration to say the US successfully inflicted a fourth reich on the global south over the course of the 20th century. Any left-wing or labor movements were threatened or actually put down with shocking fascist violence so that the wealth could keep flowing out of the country to the US. I don't know if it's the Chomsky talking but this kind of hyperbole taints your argument. While US involvemen…
The US funded, trained, armed, and supported with propaganda fascist elements in many countries that came to political power and committed mass murders, all for our benefit. Call it whatever you want. "Far from perfect", just lol.
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#20End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
> End all wars. Bring all troops home. Close all foreign bases. Use the budget to empower the citizens. A well regulated militia of you and I for world peace.
...let the Russian flag fly over the Baltics.