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Could be but a much more likely cause is a software update that went bad. Likely the cloud rained on them.
They're only operating from 10pm to 5am so one would expect them to at least update off hours.
Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco
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#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
40k people are dying a year from cars, and the problem is that driverless electric cars are not the solution. They are the faster horse kind of innovation. If we were serious about reducing fatalities, improving health, and reducing pollution, the solution would be to drastically reduce the amount of miles driven per year and the number and the size of the cars. We need to encourage people to bike and walk and use pu…
None or few of those options are particularly accessible (EDIT: for people who cannot walk/cycle long distances). Public transportation often is quite inaccessible while still claiming to be accessible (like the London Underground and the New York Subway). Central management of driverless cars could solve the problem in a more inclusive fashion and isn't just more of the same idea. We should still reduce the size of…
At the moment, neither are self-driving cars sufficiently capable to replace human drivers.
We're chasing a future tech dream when we already have technology that can solve the problems we are facing right now.
Edit: What do you mean by "accessible"? The London underground and generally public transport in the UK works very well. Speaking after having lived there for 15 years, studying and working in London and a smaller town, and never having owed a car.
Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
None or few of those options are particularly accessible (EDIT: for people who cannot walk/cycle long distances). Public transportation often is quite inaccessible while still claiming to be accessible (like the London Underground and the New York Subway). Central management of driverless cars could solve the problem in a more inclusive fashion and isn't just more of the same idea. We should still reduce the size of…
>> None or few of those options are particularly accessible. At the moment, neither are self-driving cars sufficiently capable to replace human drivers. We're chasing a future tech dream when we already have technology that can solve the problems we are facing right now. Edit: What do you mean by "accessible"? The London underground and generally public transport in the UK works very well. Speaking after having lived…
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#424I am just wondering how many people have to die before it finally dawns on on us that the current approach is idiotic. The supposed smart cars can't even talk to each-other directly 'without internet' to warn of a car pileup! They can't report to city traffic control about their condition. We should be innovating in infrastructure instead - create standardised computer readable infrared road markings, equip each traf…
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#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s almost like a problem is solvable when you have the right tools and technology.
It’s easy to solve problems in the lab. Getting it out in the real world with mass manufactured products is the hard part. You cannot scale FSD with high precision mapping and expensive cameras worldwide. Every time there’s a road update or repair, those maps need to be updated. If you seriously think Tesla is ignorant here, you are not paying any attention. Elon musk’s SpaceX has patents on LiDAR they’ve developed f…
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#426It's amazing how driverless taxies are a reality now . It shows how there is progress being made as much as there is talk about stagnation.
Being a software developer myself, I would absolutely not want to be a guinea pig (beta tester) inside a 2-ton vehicle that is controlled by software. I know too well how sausage is made.
Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
40k people are dying a year from cars, and the problem is that driverless electric cars are not the solution. They are the faster horse kind of innovation. If we were serious about reducing fatalities, improving health, and reducing pollution, the solution would be to drastically reduce the amount of miles driven per year and the number and the size of the cars. We need to encourage people to bike and walk and use pu…
None or few of those options are particularly accessible (EDIT: for people who cannot walk/cycle long distances). Public transportation often is quite inaccessible while still claiming to be accessible (like the London Underground and the New York Subway). Central management of driverless cars could solve the problem in a more inclusive fashion and isn't just more of the same idea. We should still reduce the size of…
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's a cause for concern. It's a perfectly reasonable concern. It's just about certain that early fleets will have big outages for dumb reasons, just like major websites do. The question will be how frequent those are, how dangerous they are, and how effective the mitigations will be as everything matures. As with many of things related to self-driving cars, the target doesn't have to be "perfection" so muc…
> As with many of things related to self-driving cars, the target doesn't have to be "perfection" so much as "better than people on average". I have an issue with that argument, because it's typically being used together with highly disingenuous statistics (like Teslas our FSD has less accidents per mile than normal drivers) to give the impression that autonomous driving is anywhere close to being "better than people…
Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
None or few of those options are particularly accessible (EDIT: for people who cannot walk/cycle long distances). Public transportation often is quite inaccessible while still claiming to be accessible (like the London Underground and the New York Subway). Central management of driverless cars could solve the problem in a more inclusive fashion and isn't just more of the same idea. We should still reduce the size of…
>> None or few of those options are particularly accessible. At the moment, neither are self-driving cars sufficiently capable to replace human drivers. We're chasing a future tech dream when we already have technology that can solve the problems we are facing right now. Edit: What do you mean by "accessible"? The London underground and generally public transport in the UK works very well. Speaking after having lived…
Just going with the parent comment and I'm asking when did you last use the Underground and what station do you think has accessibility issues? I found that the London system is pretty much accessible with aggressive retrofitting on older stations, but I'll acknowledge that if you have used it say more than 10 years ago then I understand.
Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco
#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's a cause for concern. It's a perfectly reasonable concern. It's just about certain that early fleets will have big outages for dumb reasons, just like major websites do. The question will be how frequent those are, how dangerous they are, and how effective the mitigations will be as everything matures. As with many of things related to self-driving cars, the target doesn't have to be "perfection" so muc…
> As with many of things related to self-driving cars, the target doesn't have to be "perfection" so much as "better than people on average". I have an issue with that argument, because it's typically being used together with highly disingenuous statistics (like Teslas our FSD has less accidents per mile than normal drivers) to give the impression that autonomous driving is anywhere close to being "better than people…
Got any facts behind that assertion?