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Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds

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I disagree. They didn't lose focus. Their new focus is VR. They anticipate it's going to be much bigger growth engine for them in the next decades, while the current core business is slowing down. Maybe their mistake is that they are too aggressive with the VR spending. There are many examples of companies that had a great core business that was gradually slowing down and new companies came and ate their lunch. Meta…

VR isn't like digital cameras destroying film, it's a completely different business. It'd be like Netflix deciding their video streaming business has peaked so they're going to hire 10,000 new engineers to work on a new wind turbine business. I agree with you they are focused on VR, but where I disagree is that they are a social media company. They're not focused on what their company actually does. It's kind of an o…

netflix did make that transition from mail to online streaming (albeit badly at first)

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> there are probably a bunch of people at the company who shouldn't be here Would be interesting to see whether he still considers himself essential for the future of Meta.

How many founders of successful companies willingly stepped out? 1%? 0.01%? :-)

There was a thread on HN some time ago discussing how different growth stages needed different people in the hot seat, and the fate of a company was often decided by the founder's willingness to cede control to someone with the right skills and experience. I think it came up in the context of VCs wanting to bring in CEOs for this purpose and the pushback they encountered.

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>"Part of my hope by raising expectations and having more aggressive goals, and just kind of turning up the heat a little bit, is that I think some of you might decide that this place isn't for you, and that self-selection is OK with me," he said. This, to me, sounds like he's pressuring people to leave, so that they don't have to fire them, which would involve severance.

Generally, people who get PIP'd don't get severance, even if fired. The real purpose of the PIP process is to grind people down so they make mistakes, costing them what could otherwise be beautiful lawsuits [1], or just stop showing up (which I guess would fall under quitting, since they end up firing themselves, at least bureaucratically speaking). ---- [1] This is surprisingly easy to do in the US. If you post abou…

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At a company the size of Facebook, the CEO should not be involved at that level.

Steve Jobs was famously known to be involved in even more micro product details than that.

Just like working hard won't make you rich on its own, it's not enough to be a micromanager. The directions you give have to actually produce results.

Facebook is no iPod.

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Performance Summary Cycle. From experience, the psc culture within fb/meta is intense, internally competitive (even within teams) and heavily focuses on quantifiable gains (e.g. often tech-debt or ethical-minded features are forgone for engagement metric increases ... via any means). It's not nice unless you're a very specific type of person.

If Zuckerberg finds it OK to talk like that to its employees, then it means the general culture there must be able to hear him. So you're right, very specific type of person. But I wonder : how would you describe that type ? the type "if I'm in Meta it's because I'm the best of the best and I want to continue to prove I'm the best of the best, at any cost" ?

Amazonian?

I don't know if you can graft that onto a company, though. Amazon's like that because Bezos is. It seems like Facebook/Meta is more like playing fast and loose and damn the consequences, which isn't exactly the same thing. Being the best is not the same as winning, though neither of 'em are necessarily nice at the highest levels of performance.

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Not really. Business cycles exist and advertisement is extremely cyclical. Labour demand isn't fixed. Sometimes you have to cut not because you over hired, but because economic conditions change and this seems to be what's happening in regards to Facebook. I don't think he's blaming anyone either. The fact he's acknowledging there are probably people working at FB who shouldn't be suggests you're wrong and that for y…

Returning to contract law; the employment agreement is a contract engaged by two or more parties to exchange labor for money (or a basket of financial incentives including money, in part). In virtually every instance, Meta proffered the employment contract and its provisions, vetted the counter party, and gave assent to enter into contract. Arguably, “there are probably a bunch of people at the company who shouldn't…

Yeah, i really don't understand the point he thinks he was making. These companies spend BILLIONS on employee benefits to take away the noise of "real life".

You CAN NOT attract top tier talent easily to a dumpster fire and they know this. You can't be giving away free food, ice cream, no performance reviews for two years during the pandemic and shipping 10s of thousands of office equipment to each individual employees homes for two years during the pandemic, continue to approve aggressive hiring plans and laying out $10 Billion dollar outlays for the fucking Metaverse and then turn around and say to the employees you hired that "You guys suck"

I would just call it childish, but this asshole deserves no benefit of doubt. It's downright disgusting.

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This is going to get super ugly over there. Sheryl Sandberg leaving was a part of this, the entire “oh, we have this pending investigation into you…no big deal” is the corporate equivalent of the claws coming out just a little bit to tell you that if you don’t quit, the claws will come out all the way. She was expensive and probably not fully engaged and bought in with this random direction change into Metaverse, a b…

The 'metaverse' play just feels weird to me, kudos to them if it works out though

Have you been to the metaverse? It's atrocious. 3G graphics from 1996, no real interactivity, nothing to do just "walk around". It's a thing that was stitched together by a bunch of people who clearly do not believe in any of it. Just the bare minimum to collect the fat FB paycheck and options.

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What I find interesting so far about these hiring freezes & layoffs is that at the moment it's been quite diffuse. All the announcements have been about how the companies will shrink head count and costs etc. But so far there haven't really been the focused sweeping announcements you would expect. When a company really hits hard times you expect them to be much more deliberate about how they cut, they start making de…

You're partly correct. Their VR tech is not "new". Oculus was a masterstroke of an acquisition and arguably has technology that's years ahead of anyone else out there.

Eye, finger tracking, touch haptics, variable focus, incredible performance optimized rendering, you name it. The tech talk given by John Carmack , that he went on stage and just winged without slides is one of the highest density talks i've heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_3SqavXjk

It would have been their iPhone moment, but Zucccc bungled it with his hateful pursuit of Apples perceived slow walking of their App review. That enmity concluded with the App Tracking Transparency move, without which, we would have been still seeing record breaking ad numbers today.

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Meta has done a lot of interesting work in the hardware space. In hardware, you just kind of accept, regardless of your company or its vision, that your work is ultimately used to facilitate the watching of cat videos.

Alternatively, your work is being used to process financial information and trades a few nanoseconds faster, or your work is being used by the military, ...

For a long time I thought that cat videos, HFT, and military tech were the options. I worked HFT for a while. Then I discovered medical technology. You can work on interesting hardware and software for devices that absolutely make the world better. It's great.

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Imagine how bleak it must be to be an average SWE at facebook. Sure, you get paid a ton of money, but now they are going to "turn up the heat" on you to pump glorified CRUD message board features faster. (yes, I know there are probably lots of intellectually interesting jobs at Meta, but the overall purpose and mission just isn't exactly inspiring)

I quit Facebook because I was getting pings by Zuckerberg himself on button padding on one of his pet projects.

But why was your padding work so shoddy?
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