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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Strongly agree. As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

In Canada we can buy such a wide variety of strains, all of them labeled with both THC and CBD levels. We can buy vape carts, prerolls, candy, drinks, and much more. Finding the "dose" that works perfectly for you is quite simple and available everywhere. It's a vast improvement over what was there before.

Yeah I never cared much for weed when it was whatever my college friends were buying in the early 2000s, it made me feel edgy and uncomfortable. I was curious when it started to become legal in the US and realized it was actually just too strong for me back then.

A small amount of some low THC, high CBD product is pleasant without being intoxicating, and so much easier to come by with everything being tested and labelled.

To me it’s comparable to the single after-work beer I have long enjoyed, vs the high grade stuff being more like… an after-work 5 shots of vodka.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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You also misread. The other stuff is the racist part. This part, "rising potency", is just a predictable effect of prohibition and "change of literally anything" causes Fear in the noobs. Wake. Up. People.

That could be the an explanation for only having high potency weed in areas where it's prohibited, but it's equally available here in Canada where it's legal. I think people just like it.

Because all the Canadian weed stays there. Right...

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I have a high-school friend in prison for 20+ years for marijuana-related charges. I now live in a recreationally legal state, the irony is not lost on me.

US prisons are absolutely packed with young marijuana dealers/users with effectively lifetime sentences. Many of them are truly good people.

A small fraction is in for possession only, and even that is misleading considering the prevalence of plea deals and career criminals.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

#155

I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

I'll just leave these here for anyone who wants to know the truth about cannabis testing.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americas-pot-labs-have-...

https://www.leafly.com/news/strains-products/lab-shopping-th...

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Anyone can grow weed and that would cut into tobacco profits, a powerful lobby. You don't honestly think legislation is about health

Nonsense. Are tobacco companies not allowed to own a cannabis company? They'll jump on that shit as soon as they can.

I think GP was trying to say that it is easier to grow cannabis than tobacco at home, which puts an upper limit to prices.

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Yes, but... Basically other parties aren't that different. In the end it doesn't matter which color of the rainbow, or black, is going to fuck the people.

The SPD brands itself as social, pro worker, peaceful, pragmatic and economically-focused all at the same time. They woo young voters, while their core clientel is >65. They actively make policy that works against the youth (serving their main voters, which are old), while presenting themselves as the good guys to the youth . From my point of view, this makes them pure evil, much more so than the other parties. Yes,…

> since I'm old enough to pay attention First of all... Hhhhh I like that!

Yes I agree that the socialists lift themself way higher that they should. I think the age of their politics and voters is an effect of inheritance over decades. But it's still not a thing only the socialists have. The right wing sort of has the same. Specially the christians. I wouldn't even say it's a very evil thing. There are young people that are interested in politics, that's good and important. But it's by far not the most of them. I agree that it's not very smart to pretend to be a youngster or doing politics for the future generations while not even asking them what they want and need or stepping aside to let them fix their problems on their own.

And honestly Scholz is very suspect and unsympathetic to me. He seemed wrong when he was major of hamburg and still I don't trust him a dime. He literally is the result of being the least garbage. At least in what the public can see. But still I don't see how the others are much different from fooling the people. The christians are corrupt, afd is a nazi party based on denial. The "democrats" only care about their own wealth. Green has internal issues with their concurring members and the deep red just burried themselves over the last years and is in huge inner conflicts as well.

None of them has the motivation or will to change. It's just about getting the votes to talk bad about others and don't change a shit. Would be good to do a 80% flush. Get new and young politicians in the parliament and keep a fifth of the old ones to show the new ones around and explain how some stuff works.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

Strongly agree. As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to make one marijuana cigarette, sometimes also called a "joint." I did not want to get too high, so I smoked one hit at a time, putting the joint out for breaks of twenty to thirty minutes between attempts. After around four of those hits spread over two hours, I did not really feel anything.

The next day, I bought a one-hit dry herb vaporizer, to be heated with a butane torch. I wanted to feel "high," and the joint had not worked. I used the same approach of waiting twenty to thirty minutes between hits with the vaporizer. In most of these hit attempts, the marijuana ended up combusting instead of vaporizing, as I had heated it up too much. For the first three hits, I did not really feel anything. However, the fourth hit was very rough, burning my throat, and sent me into a coughing fit.

Over a period of about fifteen minutes, the effect began to take hold. I decided to take a shower, and I started freaking out about halfway through, calling out to my wife. I thought I was having a stroke and suddenly felt like I did not have control over my body. I went up to bed and lied down for a long time, where my mind was racing with obsessive, intrusive thoughts. It felt like I was not the person controlling my actions or my thoughts. The feeling that I would be stuck like this forever - that I had lost my mind and entered some state of irreversible psychosis - persisted for at least an hour while I desperately tried to relax myself. After some amount of time, I got out of bed and threw up in the sink and the toilet, then went back to lie down. The entire night, I felt unable to express what I was thinking, but it was filled with the greatest worry that I have ever experienced. (I say this as someone who had actually experienced a couple panic attacks over a decade ago.)

The next day, when I woke up, the effects had subsided, but I was still left with a feeling that I was milliseconds behind the present moment. The worry that I would never feel normal again continued even after the high had diminished. It's a very difficult feeling to explain in hindsight, but after a bit of research, I think I experienced what's called "derealization." This continued into the rest of the day and a bit into the next, and it was a really scary situation for me, since I feel like I always need some amount of control over my mind. (Alcohol has never made me feel this way, though.)

Anyway, the derealization effects were gone after two days, and now, I'm afraid to try marijuana again. I would really like to enjoy the pleasant feelings reported with its use, but I'm worried that my personality is such that I just can't lose control over whatever part of my brain is affected by THC. But I also partly blame the salesperson who sold me something with such a high THC concentration, when I specifically requested something with a low concentration.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

#159

While I have no interest in weed, I never understood why people are against it, since cigarettes are also a drug and are far more damaging to heath and the economy, and in the US kills a couple hundred thousand folks a year, or alcohol, which is a drug, and kills tens of thousands of people a year. Eliminating illegality would save in so many ways, and taxes could help offset other taxes. But no, weed is somehow more…

The trouble is that skunk is now prevalent and much, much more powerful than standard weed or hash - and the stronger it is, the more likely that it will trigger serious mental health problems like schizophrenia in a percentage of users. Also, setting aside the acute and dramatic consequences, take a walk around pretty much any reasonably sized town in the UK and before long you'll smell the characteristic smell of skunk-type weed. No matter how lenient one is the question has to be asked: is it really healthy for a society to have a good proportion of its citizens in a permanent semi-baked state? I certainly would prefer the doctor, driver, pilot or teacher for my children that does not smoke skunk, given the choice, and all else being equal.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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> "European countries that have a much bigger problem with illegal cannabis use, like France, are watching very closely what Germany is doing at the moment."

The criminal activities and gang wars linked to cannabis trafficking in France are huge. It's a shame that France never took action either on legalisation or on crime...

I am not sure that whatever Germany does will have much impact in France, though.

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