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Profanity Doesn't Work

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Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#31

What always amuses me is the tendency of some people to "censor" out profanity (f * vs fuck and s * vs shit), as if by not actually typing the word, the writer could write about profanity and yet not be "sullied" by it, or something to that effect. Seriously, loosen up. This almost puritanical aversion to profanity is unhealthy.

I used to work for a company with an internet content filter. I'd search for a topic, see a promising link, and bam! the content filter blocked the page for profanity. I try to limit / self-censor my profanity in deference to the working stiffs of the world stuck in that situation.

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Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#32
post #14

However, you take no chances of offending by not swearing, but you guarantee to offend someone if you do. Good. Fuck them. Believe me, we aren't going to get along. Best to know now. Also, I believe in evolution, think the earth is more than 4000 years old and I support gay marriage. That offends a ton of people and expressing that opinion has the same effect on those "relationships" as saying "fuck". You might think…

If you're writing people off as "too far outside your value system to be worth bothering with" because they happen to find swearing offensive, you're missing out on knowing a lot of really awesome people for a pretty stupid reason. Then again, your policy does save them hassle, so maybe it's for the best. Penalties offset...repeat first down.

A lot of really awesome people... with ultimately incompatible value systems.

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#33
I'm reminded of http://lesswrong.com/lw/13s/the_nature_of_offense/

"Specifically, to give offense is to imply that a person or group has or should have low status. Taking offense then becomes easy to explain: it’s to defend someone’s status from such an implication, out of a sense of either fairness or self-interest."

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#34
Profanity is like yelling, where one is (in)appropriate so is the other.

Hence I never read articles that start with profanity - people who start shouting before they can explain themselves are rarely worth listening.

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#35
Though it can be effective, vulgarity on the web seems most often a product of laziness.

Which is not always a problem. Much content we read here is for information; many comments and blogs are little more than small talk.

We refer back to classic posts like P. Graham's because they were crafted with deliberation.

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#37
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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, there is an effect on the reader. Being indirect softens the blow for folks who are offended by it, much like a euphemism does.

People are always offended for "other" people, I would be curious to hear the thoughts of a person who is truly offended by the word fuck. Does it have some magic powers that cause it to fire off a pain circuit in mutant brains?

It has well-understood powers to fire off pain circuits in perfectly normal brains.

Stephen Pinker gave a talk on the subject at Google a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBpetDxIEMU

Swear words are swear words because they actually are processed differently in your brain than regular propositional speech is. They're the linguistic counterpart of the emotional signals used by other social animals. The difference is that the sounds associated with our signalling systems are learned as part of language, rather than being hard-coded and instinctual. Hence, there's the possibility for different people to have their brains trained in different ways. So, for some people, the "f-word" may not have any ill effect, but don't deceive yourself thinking that there aren't people who really are hurt by it. Since the psychological reaction is associated with the signal, not with whatever additional propositional meaning it might have in the language, referring to it by circumlocution really does have a point- it lets you talk about the words without risking triggering someone's reaction to the words.

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#39
I agree with Jerry Seinfeld that swearing (when writing or speaking) is not so much offensive but just a lazy way to grab people's attention. A good speaker can hold attention without resorting to swearing.

That said, I actually think that the phrase "shit work" perfectly expresses the point, and I'm not sure I would have called it anything else if I were the author.

Re: Profanity Doesn't Work

#40
There are very few rules for effective comunication. There are often guidelines that are useful for the inexperienced or timid. A good speaker who knows his/her business can get away with nearly anything they can get away with...
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