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Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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What's a good alternative? Preferably not in the US, preferably not biased towards (or against) any political agenda.

The Conservancy post/site mention SourceHut (thats in the US though): https://sourcehut.org/

Sourcehut is entirely self-hostable and Drew Devault is staunchly pro-FOSS. Nationality means little in this case.

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Simply moving away from Github is not enough to protect your code if you see this as a problem. Moving your code away from Github to some open alternative doesn't stop Github consuming it to use in Copilot unless you specifically forbid that in your license. If you code is freely available to use for any purpose, as many open source licenses permit, then that includes using it as training data for a for-profit produc…

People keep getting this wrong. Your license is irrelevant. Copilot depends entirely on being exempt from copyright restrictions (under fair use doctrine), and you cannot restrict this with any license, because they're not using that license.

The only way you can stop them using your code so is to not share it with anyone. If they find your code (even via a leak!), they can legally use it, if their fair use claim is correct.

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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You don't need hosting to use git.

> You don't need hosting to use git. This, 100%. Git is useful for all your textual versioning needs - but your friends don't really need access to all your git repos. The whole idea of putting your whole life on GitHub is a dev's equivalent of putting all your life on Facebook - an excellent idea, as far as Microsoft and Facebook are concerned. If you can't sell ads to coders, then perhaps you can sell them recycled…

Except for when GH wasn't owned by Microsoft for almost a decade...

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Simply moving away from Github is not enough to protect your code if you see this as a problem. Moving your code away from Github to some open alternative doesn't stop Github consuming it to use in Copilot unless you specifically forbid that in your license. If you code is freely available to use for any purpose, as many open source licenses permit, then that includes using it as training data for a for-profit produc…

Or don't license your code at all. Gives you great power with selective enforcement of IP rights.

Huh? What if someone else claims they wrote your code and slaps a license on it?

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Or don't license your code at all. Gives you great power with selective enforcement of IP rights.

Huh? What if someone else claims they wrote your code and slaps a license on it?

Copyright is independent of license.

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Or don't license your code at all. Gives you great power with selective enforcement of IP rights.

Huh? What if someone else claims they wrote your code and slaps a license on it?

When its my IP i can enforce it, send them a DMCA or sue them for damages. They used my stuff without having a license to do so. If they slapped an own license on it, granting others permission to it, that would increase the damages.

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Simply moving away from Github is not enough to protect your code if you see this as a problem. Moving your code away from Github to some open alternative doesn't stop Github consuming it to use in Copilot unless you specifically forbid that in your license. If you code is freely available to use for any purpose, as many open source licenses permit, then that includes using it as training data for a for-profit produc…

People keep getting this wrong. Your license is irrelevant. Copilot depends entirely on being exempt from copyright restrictions (under fair use doctrine), and you cannot restrict this with any license, because they're not using that license. The only way you can stop them using your code so is to not share it with anyone. If they find your code (even via a leak!), they can legally use it, if their fair use claim is…

If so, then the other edge of the sword may be sharp enough. Collect all bigco source code leaks and create a fancy Schmopilot model out of it. Publish said model on GitHub.

Re: Open source body quits GitHub, urges you to do the same

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Simply moving away from Github is not enough to protect your code if you see this as a problem. Moving your code away from Github to some open alternative doesn't stop Github consuming it to use in Copilot unless you specifically forbid that in your license. If you code is freely available to use for any purpose, as many open source licenses permit, then that includes using it as training data for a for-profit produc…

People keep getting this wrong. Your license is irrelevant. Copilot depends entirely on being exempt from copyright restrictions (under fair use doctrine), and you cannot restrict this with any license, because they're not using that license. The only way you can stop them using your code so is to not share it with anyone. If they find your code (even via a leak!), they can legally use it, if their fair use claim is…

Copilot being fair use is what Microsoft claims (obviously), not an established fact. There is no precedent for this claim.

(Nitpick: Fair use isn't an exemption from copyright, it's a defense for violating copyright)

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